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Mexican Nationals discriminated against in Baja?
Feliz Dia de la Independencia...
I was shocked at this article about discrimination AGAINST Mexicans in Baja. One of the reasons I travel in Baja is to not deal with those who
routinely discriminate against me. So, I found this article disheartening.
http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/3660_discrimi...
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Carlos Valdez Branches, tijuanense tourist, denounced that she was victim of an attitude of discrimination on the part of the manager of a denominated
hotel “Alfonsina´s”, located in the bay of Gonzaga San Luis in the municipality of Cove, when went along with its family to the place to spend the
weekend.
According to the version of Valdez Branches, the past 3 of September went in company of other 16 people, relatives and friendly, to the recreational
space to spend a weekend; when arriving at the place one went with the manager to ask for the rent of some rooms, to which the employee responded:
“All are Mexican”.
“I need to know if they are Mexican because they throw much water, they do not consume in the restaurant and they leave much cochinero” said the one
in charge to him of the business, in a whole that the paseante described like “tyrant”, when it asked the reasons for the questioning, and after which
the aforesaid one moved away leaving it with the word in the mouth.
Moments before asking for the origin of the possible clients, the employee recognized that there were two rooms available in the hotel, nevertheless,
these were denied to the knowledge that were Mexican.
“Peculiarly” he said the affected one, the person also discriminated who them “was Mexican”.
She emphasized that when leaving the premises along with their family, among them people of the third age, went towards a powerboat where the workers
commented, when some knew the happened thing, that type of situations discriminatorias on the part of the hotel personnel was continuous.
The majority of those who stay itself in that place is of North American origin, showed Valdez Branches, reason why it was sorry that a preferential
treatment exists towards the same connacionales that their visitors deal with contemptuous way.
“What she bothered to me more she is that he was a Mexican (who discriminates) and have preference by people of another nationality; one is going to
pay what the hotel… what pain that in Mexico occurs this type of situations here” referred, with annoyance costs.
The Secretariat of Tourism of the government of the state of frequent way invites to the bajacalifornianos “to be tourist in its state” and to visit
the different municipalities from the state as well as the establishments that supposedly are for taking care of the same Mexicans.
TIJUANA BC 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2011 (AFN).- Carlos Valdez Ramos, turista tijuanense, denunció que fue víctima de una actitud de discriminación por
parte del gerente de un hotel denominado "Alfonsina´s", ubicado en la bahía de San Luis Gonzaga en el municipio de Ensenada, cuando fue junto con su
familia al lugar para pasar el fin de semana.
Conforme a la versión de Valdez Ramos, el pasado 3 de septiembre se dirigió en compañía de otras 16 personas, familiares y amigos, al espacio
recreativo para pasar un fin de semana; al llegar al lugar se dirigió con el gerente para solicitar la renta de algunas habitaciones, a lo que el
empleado respondió: "¿Todos son mexicanos?".
"Necesito saber si son mexicanos porque tiran mucha agua, no consumen en el restaurante y dejan mucho cochinero” le dijo el encargado del negocio, en
un todo que el paseante calificó como "déspota", cuando preguntó los motivos del cuestionamiento, y tras lo que el susodicho se alejó dejándolo con la
palabra en la boca.
Momentos antes de preguntar por el origen de los posibles clientes, el empleado reconoció que había dos habitaciones disponibles en el hotel, sin
embargo, éstas fueron negadas al saber que eran mexicanos.
“Curiosamente” dijo el afectado, la persona que los discriminó “también era mexicano”.
Destacó que al salir del local junto con su familia, entre ellos personas de la tercera edad, se dirigieron hacia una gasolinera donde los
trabajadores comentaron, cuando algunos supieron lo sucedido, que ese tipo de situaciones discriminatorias por parte del personal hotelero eran
continuas.
La mayoría de quienes se hospedan en ese lugar son de origen norteamericano, manifestó Valdez Ramos, por lo que lamentó que exista un trato
preferencial hacia los mismos connacionales que tratan de manera despectiva a sus visitantes.
“Lo que más me molestó es que fue un mexicano (quien discrimina) y tienen preferencia por gente de otra nacionalidad; uno va a pagar lo que cuesta el
hotel… qué pena que aquí en México se den este tipo de situaciones” refirió, con molestia.
La Secretaría de Turismo del gobierno del estado de manera frecuente invita a los bajacalifornianos a “ser turistas en su estado” y a visitar los
diferentes municipios del estado así como los establecimientos que supuestamente están para atender a los mismos mexicanos.
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David K
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Ken, the manager of Alfonsina's (Antonio) has descriminated agains Americans (white ones) as well! If you read back on Nomad long enough you will hear
how gringos arrived at Alfonsina's only to be told by Antonio that there were no rooms available. In some cases, (after Antonio sees you are not a
jerk, perhaps) rooms will magically become vacant.
I am not saying it is right, (it isn't)... I am just saying that Alfonsina's sometimes 'plays a game' with potential guests in order to weed out ones
that might be too noisey, messy, rude, whatever.
I suggest you arrive, meet the staff, sit down and order drinks, and after chilling down having driven several bumpy miles to get there, inquire about
the rooms.
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woody with a view
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or just boycott the jerk!
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Ramos = Branches 
Doncha just love Google Translate
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ken, the manager of Alfonsina's (Antonio) has descriminated agains Americans (white ones) as well! If you read back on Nomad long enough you will hear
how gringos arrived at Alfonsina's only to be told by Antonio that there were no rooms available. In some cases, (after Antonio sees you are not a
jerk, perhaps) rooms will magically become vacant.
I am not saying it is right, (it isn't)... I am just saying that Alfonsina's sometimes 'plays a game' with potential guests in order to weed out ones
that might be too noisey, messy, rude, whatever.
I suggest you arrive, meet the staff, sit down and order drinks, and after chilling down having driven several bumpy miles to get there, inquire about
the rooms. |
I can't imagine that Kathy and I appeared rude or noisey but he played that game with us last year. When I then suggested to Kathy that we continue
on to Papa's and if necessary pitch our tent there Antonio suddenly had a room for us. He quoted a rate and I offered $10 less which he accepted.
After that he was very cordial and we had a nice dinner there and breakfast as well. Seems to be a little routine that he has going.
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Supply and Demand
I haven't been to Alfonsinas in a few years, but we were treated well. The number of rooms available and the number of guests who want to rent those
rooms creates a situation where the manager is in a position to choose what he feels will be the best-behaved guests. I suppose that their empirical
experience results in some stereotypical choices.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ken, the manager of Alfonsina's (Antonio) has descriminated agains Americans (white ones) as well! If you read back on Nomad long enough you will hear
how gringos arrived at Alfonsina's only to be told by Antonio that there were no rooms available. In some cases, (after Antonio sees you are not a
jerk, perhaps) rooms will magically become vacant.
I am not saying it is right, (it isn't)... I am just saying that Alfonsina's sometimes 'plays a game' with potential guests in order to weed out ones
that might be too noisey, messy, rude, whatever.
I suggest you arrive, meet the staff, sit down and order drinks, and after chilling down having driven several bumpy miles to get there, inquire about
the rooms. |
I can't imagine that Kathy and I appeared rude or noisey but he played that game with us last year. When I then suggested to Kathy that we continue
on to Papa's and if necessary pitch our tent there Antonio suddenly had a room for us. He quoted a rate and I offered $10 less which he accepted.
After that he was very cordial and we had a nice dinner there and breakfast as well. Seems to be a little routine that he has going.
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Now Kurt, you look every bit to be a wild and crazy party animal!
Here you only need to touch my truck to make the bumper curl (as I point out your powers of destruction)!:
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akshadow
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maybe the problem was 17 people and two rooms?
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Alfonsina's motel is bigger than that!
Here is a pretty good guide to Gonzaga Bay and what's there from the late Carlos Fiesta's BajaExpo.com site: http://www.bajaexpo.com/cities/gonzaga.htm
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The article said there were two rooms available at that time.
"Moments before asking for the origin of the possible clients, the employee recognized that there were two rooms available in the hotel, "
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You don't know how many rooms were available. If there were only two rooms for seventeen guests you can't blame Antonio for not wanting to rent to
them.
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They shouldn't be playing ANY games, or conducting any type of selection to see wich guests are better than others, thats just plain wrong, a BIG no
no. Either your open and have rooms, or you don't.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by akshadow
The article said there were two rooms available at that time.
"Moments before asking for the origin of the possible clients, the employee recognized that there were two rooms available in the hotel, "
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OK... well for others reading this... it is a 10 room motel, plus they have the older rooms next to the kitchen and a public shower.
Here is the 2 story motel on the left... and the restaurant/ bar on the right:
The beach in front of Alfonsina's:
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
They shouldn't be playing ANY games, or conducting any type of selection to see wich guests are better than others, thats just plain wrong, a BIG no
no. Either your open and have rooms, or you don't. |
So does the same go for you at your restaurant? |
Yes and i am very proud of that. I once told the former BCS governor that he couldn't do certain things at our place ( he wanted me to kick out some
customers because he wanted to have fun with his friends) because we consider ourselves a family restaurant. That was the only time i ever saw him at
my place and off course i lost a lot of his business. Just the other night a whole bunch of hard core mexican bikers came in for dinner, they didnt
look friendy at all, but as long as they respect the other customers, they have a right to be treated like everyone else.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
You don't know how many rooms were available. If there were only two rooms for seventeen guests you can't blame Antonio for not wanting to rent to
them. |
Thats not the problem, he has the right to deny them the rooms because 17 is too many people for 2 rooms. But there is a big problem when they use,
race, nationality, or gender in order to confirm or deny you service. Theres strict laws against that in Mexico.
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Good for you Jesse!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Thats not the problem, he has the right to deny them the rooms because 17 is too many people for 2 rooms. But there is a big problem when they use,
race, nationality, or gender in order to confirm or deny you service. Theres strict laws against that in Mexico. |
same as NOB. it's called a capitalistic democracy. lately tho, it seems that the vocal minority (didn't get a room) dictates to the masses.... maybe
the 17 should have accepted the fact that there were only 2 rooms. maybe if they wanted to sleep on the floor, times the number of guests, divided by
2 per room (8x a room rate?) they should have told that to our racist bidness man who could have structured his prices acordingly, bought the offended
neighbor guests a margarita, and be called innovative?
my guess is Sr Alphonsino is just playing games with the people who go out that way, to the (nearly) only game in town? visitors arrive expecting to
be treated like a normal paying customer and this yahoo wants to compensate by playing games? it's one of these two scenario's. sucks if you are stuck
in the sand out front without a room......
stay elsewhere. better yet, order drinks and dinner at the restraunt and when this guy says, "no rooms" just get up and leave. hopefully, he'll count
on his finger and toes how much bidness he's kicking down the road....
but prolly not.
[Edited on 9-17-2011 by woody with a view]
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Maybe this guy needs a dose of discrimination....a la Cd. Constitución.
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Ken Cooke
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No discriminating against such a HANDSOME SPANISH-SPEAKING Baja traveler! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
They shouldn't be playing ANY games, or conducting any type of selection to see wich guests are better than others, thats just plain wrong, a BIG no
no. Either your open and have rooms, or you don't. |
Depend who is cleaning up after them I guess...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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