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cool.gif posted on 11-29-2011 at 06:42 PM
Mision Santa Maria de los Angeles (1767-69) in 2010


The last California mission founded by the Jesuits. The adobe ruins were built by the Franciscans in 1768 who replaced the Jesuits... and eliminated it as a mission the next year, when Junipero Serra established Mision San Fernando Velicata, 43 miles to the northwest.

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[*] posted on 11-29-2011 at 08:41 PM


Pretty awesome. I always wonder if this is what the California missions would look like without the importance we in California put on them. Refurbishing, rebuilding, and retrofitting costs a lot of $$$$...



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[*] posted on 11-29-2011 at 08:48 PM


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[*] posted on 11-30-2011 at 09:22 AM


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Pretty awesome. I always wonder if this is what the California missions would look like without the importance we in California put on them. Refurbishing, rebuilding, and retrofitting costs a lot of $$$$...


Exactly, we (norte americanos) put a lot of importance into historical preservation. While the people of Baja California don't have the financial resources for the degree of effort needed, the missions suffered the most when the first Mexicans arrived from the mainland to settle and farm the peninsula. They saw the abandoned missions as just empty, unused buildings and used them to help build their own homes and barns, etc.

The roof (wood, tile, palm leaves) were the first to get taken... which exposed the adobe to rainfall. Santa Maria and San Borja's adobe ruins are the best preserved because they are in the desert and more remote from visitors who (in the past) have dug for treasure in their walls (none there).

All the Dominican missions which are near the Pacific have very little remaining adobe. Some restoration in the form of covering the remains with a plaster coating has been done recently. See the last 10, mostly adobe missions including old photos at http://vivabaja.com/missions2




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[*] posted on 11-30-2011 at 09:32 AM


Excellent photos!

Here's more info from Wikipedia

Mission Santa María de los Ángeles was the last of the missions established by the Jesuits in Baja California, Mexico, in 1767. The site chosen was the Cochimí settlement of Cabujakaamung ("arroyo of crags"), west of Bahía San Luis Gonzaga near the Gulf of California coast, about 22 kilometers east of Rancho Santa Inés, and south of Cataviña.

The mission site was visited by the Jesuit missionary-explorers Ferdinand Konšcak and Wenceslaus Linck. Victoriano Arnés found the mission to replace the unsatisfactory site of Calamajué only months before the Jesuits were expelled from Baja California. After the establishment of Mission San Fernando Velicatá, Santa Marí was reduced to the status of a visita, or subordinate mission station. The visita was abandoned in 1818. Ruined structural walls and rock corrals survive at the site.


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[*] posted on 11-30-2011 at 09:57 AM


In 1969 I flew over the ruins with Jim Patterson who told me he had dated photos of the ruins from when he first visited there, 14 months prior to Earl Stanley Gardner.

We had stayed the night in Guymas so I was impressed he found it from the air on the first pass. Loaned a great deal of credibility to his boast.

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[*] posted on 11-30-2011 at 10:09 AM


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In 1969 I flew over the ruins with Jim Patterson who told me he had dated photos of the ruins from when he first visited there, 14 months prior to Earl Stanley Gardner.

We had stayed the night in Guymas so I was impressed he found it from the air on the first pass. Loaned a great deal of credibility to his boast.

[Edited on 11-30-2011 by Osprey]


Very cool...

Here is a photo from 1949 by Marquis McDonald, and below it one taken from about the same spot, 61 years later:






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[*] posted on 11-30-2011 at 12:25 PM


Wow, great "comparison" photo, David. These comparison photos are so interesting to me---------I am surprised at how little this adobe has melted in all that time------desert environment sure helps in preservation. (the "wooden pole" along the Pole Line Road a good example).

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Wow, great "comparison" photo, David. These comparison photos are so interesting to me---------I am surprised at how little this adobe has melted in all that time------desert environment sure helps in preservation. (the "wooden pole" along the Pole Line Road a good example).

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Most noticable chage is the side walls are all melted and the padre's quarters at the back right corner of the main church, are greatly reduced in size. But, compared to Santo Tomas or other adobe missions, yes, not too bad.




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Wow, great "comparison" photo, David. These comparison photos are so interesting to me---------I am surprised at how little this adobe has melted in all that time------desert environment sure helps in preservation. (the "wooden pole" along the Pole Line Road a good example).

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Most noticable chage is the side walls are all melted and the padre's quarters at the back right corner of the main church, are greatly reduced in size. But, compared to Santo Tomas or other adobe missions, yes, not too bad.


Totally amazing to see the changes over 60 years! WOW!




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Here's the site map of the structures, from INAH

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One of the Erle Stanley Gardner photos (mid 1960's)...

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[*] posted on 12-1-2011 at 07:27 AM
Desert Magazine: June, 1967:


Below are my scanned images from my magazine... However, easier reading can be down by viewing this on http://DezertMagazine.com Here is the page: http://www.dezertmagazine.com/mine/1967DM06/index.html





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[*] posted on 12-6-2011 at 07:32 PM
Essay


I love the way this photo essay surveys and documents a beautiful piece in history. I especially like the "Site Plan". Thank you for this wonderful post and awesome pics!
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[*] posted on 12-6-2011 at 10:11 PM
Founding of Santa Maria


In Missions and Missionaries of California Vol. 1, 1929, by Fr. Zephyrin Engelhardt, O.F.M. [Franciscan], pages 292/293 is this:

Father Arnes, [Jesuit Victoriano Arnes 1736-1788] convinced of the impossiblilty of subsisting at a place so sterile as Calagnujuet [today's Calamajue mission site], began to look for a more favorable locality. This was discovered in May, 1767, near the arroyo of Cabujacaamang in latitude thirty-one degrees (nearer to 29 degrees, 42 minutes & 114 degrees, 35 minutes) about sixteen leagues northwest of Calagnujuet, and thrity-five leagues to the north-northwest of Adac [known also as San Francisco de Borja Adac].

Though the soil was as barren and the surroundings were as timberless as the former place, the water at least was wholesome. Some palm-trees furnished the lumber for the buildings, and for the want of vegetables compensation was found in the abundance of fish in the gulf which was only four leagues distant. The new mission, the last which the Jesuits planted in California, was placed under the protection of the Mother of God and named Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It was endowed by the Duchess of Gandia, that is to say, the five hundred dollars interest from the capital which she bequeathed was applied to this mission in the form of goods or supplies. To omit nothing that might contribute to the success of the undertaking, Arnes planted a little field with wheat and cotton which in January, 1768, when the Jesuits had to leave the missions promised good crops.

Although Arnes was annoyed by the discontent of some of the soldiers who were tired of that dreary district, he devoted himself so earnestly and successfully to the conversion of the pagans that during his stay of a few months the mission never lacked catechumens. The church and dwellings of the missionary and of the soldiers, however, were miserable structures of wood covered with palm-leaves.

In the beginning of all the missionary establishments, the churches, as in the case of Santa Maria, the last of the missions founded by the Jesuits, were but flimsy structures not safe for depositing the Holy Eucharist. The respective missionary would hasten, however, to raise a building the very appearance of which would attract the attention of the savages and second his efforts to communicate his message.

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[*] posted on 12-6-2011 at 10:37 PM
Arthur North visit to site


In his work, Camp and Camino in Lower California, Arthur W. North describes scant remains he saw in mid-February 1906:

"...we arrived unexpectedly before two roofless adobes, the ruins of the ancient Jesuit Mission of Santa Maria. The great palm ridge-pole of one of the buildings was still in place, the palms growing beyond showing between the earthen walls and the pole. Roofs, doors and windows were missing. Otherwise, the iglesia, or church, and parochial house have fared well at the hand of Time and man."




The above photo is opposite page 86 in North's book.

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[*] posted on 12-6-2011 at 11:14 PM


Neat stuff, John. Thank you.

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[*] posted on 12-7-2011 at 11:50 AM


Yes, thanks John...

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[*] posted on 12-7-2011 at 11:15 PM


don't temp me DK..you know I always wanted to there..



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