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American slain in botched Ajijic robbery
A U.S. citizen was murdered in the carport of his Ajijic home during an attempted robbery Tuesday, November 29.
Stephen Christopher Kahr, 69, died almost instantly after being shot in the chest by an unknown assailant, according to Chapala Ministerio Publico
(MP) agent Fernando Gutierrez Santillan.
Gutierrez told the Reporter that the shooting occurred as Kahr and his wife were unloading groceries from their car, parked on the street just outside
their residence at Calle Donato Guerra on the corner of 16 de Septiembre.
Witnesses told authorities that a young man followed Kahr into the carport and attempted to snatch his wallet from his back pants pocket, while his
wife was still gathering shopping bags from the car. When the victim swirled to resist the assault, the would-be robber fired his weapon straight on
and then quickly escaped on foot, heading east on 16 de Septiembre.
The killer was described as a young, well-dressed Mexican of slender build, with a thin face and fair skin.
Gutierrez said that Chapala police officers arriving at the scene promptly spread out to comb the neighborhood, rounding up several suspects, none of
whom matched the physical description of the perpetrator.
Meanwhile, the Chapala Red Cross responded to an emergency call placed at around 11:15 a.m. Paramedics who attended to Kahr said they applied advanced
CPR techniques, but were unable to revive him due to the gravity of his gunshot wound.
The MP agent, along with his investigators and a state police unit, inspected and guarded the crime scene until a team from the Jalisco Forensics
Institute arrived to gather evidence and remove Kahr’s body. The corpse was taken for an autopsy in Ocotlan around 3 p.m.
During the ordeal, police officers allowed several friends and neighbors to go inside the house to comfort Kahr’s stunned widow.
Gutierrez said investigators found the victim’s wallet on his person, indicating that the killer ran off empty-handed.
The MP official said the murder does not appear to be linked to organized crime groups involved in a growing number of shooting incidents that have
plagued the north shore area since the start of the year. He speculated, however, that the fatal assault bears some similarities to a series of
late-night home invasion robberies that have been denounced by foreign residents in recent weeks.
http://www.guadalajarareporter.com/news-mainmenu-82/lake-cha...
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Terrible. Sickening. I am so sorry.
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I don't get these "it happens everywhere replies" to any Baja crimes. Since when is Escondido a tourist destination? I have had THREE people
murdered in my Rosarito Beach neighborhood in the past months. I have lived in a lot of places in the States- some fairly dangerous (BOS, NYC, DEN,
SFO, SAN, LA, Long Beach and Memphis) but never had three murders in the exact area where I live before. And downtown Rosartio Beach IS a tourist
destination. I don't get the apples to oranges comparisons all the time... because they compare nothing imho.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I don't get these "it happens everywhere replies" to any Baja crimes. |
I believe the point being made was that Ajijic is closer to Mexico City than the southernmost tip of the Baja Peninsula (and separated by a vast body
of water). Someone not familiar with this ex-pat destination in Jalisco might surmise that this has happened in Baja - which is not the case.
There are however ex-pat Baja residents that are watching news of - and are concerned about - violent crime against foreigners throughout the country.
[Edited on 11-30-2011 by BajaNomad]
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Good story Soulpatch. This just goes to show you that there is some sort of news blackout in Mexico about the dangers of living in the US and places
like Escondido where they have some big bald white guy with crooked teeth running around trying to rape young teen girls!
Everybody in Mexico should be alerted to the dangers of Escondido and how it's even too dangerous to visit Escondido let alone live there. Escondido
in fact is a very hostile city to Mexicans, espeically undocumented Mexicans, and Mexicans everywhere sure be made aware of that fact. ( thank God for
the courts and Jerry Brown that make Escondido repeal their stupid laws they try to pass)
The story about murder of a US citizen in Ajijic is too far away from Baja to have any real interest. Where is Ajijic anyway? Isn't that in Jalisco
or somewhere far away?
C'mon shouldn't the stories be a little closer to home?
That's like be being a reporter in Southern California, and because it's a slow news day.( no murders) You decide to cover a local story about some
murder in Detroit.
From the Soulpatch link and the SDUT article:
The attacker was described by the girl as a white man in his 30s, bald, 6-foot-2 with a muscular build, crooked teeth and long blond arm
hair. He was wearing a faded black T-shirt, black jeans and black work shoes. The girl told police he was in a 1990s-model station wagon-type vehicle
that was white with a black stripe on the side.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I don't get these "it happens everywhere replies" to any Baja crimes. Since when is Escondido a tourist destination? I have had THREE people
murdered in my Rosarito Beach neighborhood in the past months. I have lived in a lot of places in the States- some fairly dangerous (BOS, NYC, DEN,
SFO, SAN, LA, Long Beach and Memphis) but never had three murders in the exact area where I live before. And downtown Rosartio Beach IS a tourist
destination. I don't get the apples to oranges comparisons all the time... because they compare nothing imho. |
Out of curiosity, why do you continue to live there? I spend most of my time vacationing in Cabo, Todos Santos etc. I have no interest in being in
Baja Norte.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cielo
Out of curiosity, why do you continue to live there? |
Can't just walk away from a large investment and there is little to no real estate market.
I'm in the same boat.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I don't get these "it happens everywhere replies" to any Baja crimes. Since when is Escondido a tourist destination? I have had THREE people
murdered in my Rosarito Beach neighborhood in the past months. I have lived in a lot of places in the States- some fairly dangerous (BOS, NYC, DEN,
SFO, SAN, LA, Long Beach and Memphis) but never had three murders in the exact area where I live before. And downtown Rosartio Beach IS a tourist
destination. I don't get the apples to oranges comparisons all the time... because they compare nothing imho. |
Out of curiosity, why do you continue to live there? I spend most of my time vacationing in Cabo, Todos Santos etc. I have no interest in being in
Baja Norte. |
I'm not on vacation. I live with my Mexican family in a nice Mexican neighborhood in a house I spent eight years planning and building. Why would I
change any of that? Just because Baja has? If Mexicans can handle it, I can handle it. Kidnap attempts, carjacking, phone extortion, an extortion
resulting in decapitation, and still one family member missing for over a year- so we've been through it all in the past four or five years. But so
has every other Mexican family- we're not special and have not been singled out. Usually we are ahead of the news curve because we live in the
middle of it and talk to our neighbors. The narco violence sucked for everyone and we hope El Chapo will restore the peace now that he has taken over
Baja.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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I think that many of us our fear of being a crime victim is lower in our familiar community than it is in a place where we feel like outsiders. I am
familiar enough with the community in which I live to know who, where and when to avoid. In the "big city" or any foreign country, I don't know enough
to be able to act appropriately to be safe.
My brother in law has lived in San Jose, Costa Rica for over 35 years, in a quiet neighborhood. But he won't walk from his house to his can on the
street without slipping a gun into his waist band and double locking the front door. He's not freaked out by fear, he's just being self reliant.
Many of us NOB are used to our personal safety being someone else's responsibility, and we make assumpitions that can lead to our injury. We are
accustomed to assuming that because there's no warning sign or fence on the edge of a cliff, it must be safe to walk right to the edge. We assume we
can walk down a sidewalk without watching our feet, because there are codes for steps and holes aren't allowed due to liability concerns.
We gringos have become pretty weak and foolish from all the coddling we are subject to.
Not that we should accept crime in our neighorhoods, whether that is in Escondido, Detroit or Ensenada, but we do need to be personally responsible
and not leave that to someone else.
IMHO, that is.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
I think that many of us our fear of being a crime victim is lower in our familiar community than it is in a place where we feel like outsiders. I am
familiar enough with the community in which I live to know who, where and when to avoid. In the "big city" or any foreign country, I don't know enough
to be able to act appropriately to be safe.
My brother in law has lived in San Jose, Costa Rica for over 35 years, in a quiet neighborhood. But he won't walk from his house to his can on the
street without slipping a gun into his waist band and double locking the front door. He's not freaked out by fear, he's just being self reliant.
Many of us NOB are used to our personal safety being someone else's responsibility, and we make assumpitions that can lead to our injury. We are
accustomed to assuming that because there's no warning sign or fence on the edge of a cliff, it must be safe to walk right to the edge. We assume we
can walk down a sidewalk without watching our feet, because there are codes for steps and holes aren't allowed due to liability concerns.
We gringos have become pretty weak and foolish from all the coddling we are subject to.
Not that we should accept crime in our neighorhoods, whether that is in Escondido, Detroit or Ensenada, but we do need to be personally responsible
and not leave that to someone else.
IMHO, that is. |
well said!
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Ajijic is most likely the single largest ex-pat community in Mexico. It has drawn folks from the US, Canada, and even UK for decades. Its draw has
been associated with the fact that while it is far South of the border, it is near a major Mexican city that provides world class medical care,
shopping, and an major international airport.
Ajijic is fundamentally a group of walled communities, and has long prided itself as being the un-Mexico.
On some level, unless the victim here was engaged in nefarious activities in and around Guadalajara, I would consider that there just might be some
level of envy/rage within the local poverty stricken community that would cause someone to act out.
All that said, Given that Ajijic is on the mainland, just wondering why it is that Doug left this post on the main board, especially considerong the
source of the post. Someone who obviously contributes nothing but negative stuff about Baja and Mexico. Just sayin'.............
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| Quote: | | The narco violence sucked for everyone and we hope El Chapo will restore the peace now that he has taken over Baja. |
How can a drug lord restore peace? Do you think the Drug violence will ever end? If so, how? Some Mexicans think that once Calderon is done and if the
declared war on the cartels ends that things will go back to how they were before Calderon was elected. The situation is heartbreaking to those of us
Americans who love Mexico. I have a home in Cabo and love being there if Cabo turns into Rosarito it can sit there empty for all I care. Having to
dodge stray bullets and worry about being kidnapped is not my idea of a relaxing vacation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
..but we do need to be personally responsible and not leave that to someone else. |
In the news story above, where a 69-year old man was shot as he was unloading the groceries from his car in Mexico, what could he have legally and
physically done to prevent his death? Remember that he is 69 and living in Mexico. He cannot legally carry a firearm and he has to go buy food to eat.
As I see it, his only choice was to die on his patio.
This is not even an isolated incident. Most of these crimes against Americans are not reported or under reported. Last week in Puerto Vallara, 65-year
old David W. Reitz III, was stabbed to death in his apartment.
http://www.guadalajarareporter.com/news-mainmenu-82/pacific-...
Last month 66-year old Robert Frey was murdered in Ensenada, and 65-year old Gary Barlow was murdered a few days later in the same town. Three
Americans and a Canadian have been murdered so far this year in San Miguel De Allende. Look up the names of the victims: Peter Mudge - 85, Joseph
Feuerborn - 80, Judith Zena Baylis - 64.
It's open season on Gringos and it is not even being reported. Instead, all you hear is whining from Prince Howard about negativity. Does anybody here
think Bajahowodd cares about your well being? Does anybody here think Howard wants to make sure travelers get the information they need to make an
informed decision? Howard does not want anybody here thinking for themselves, his job is to make sure no bad news gets discussed. He also thinks the
only reason why Communism is not the predominant economic system in the world is that nobody has found the right leaders to make it work.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cielo
Some Mexicans think that once Calderon is done and if the declared war on the cartels ends that things will go back to how they were before Calderon
was elected. |
That is very possible. Mexico is a country founded on appeasement and co-opting rivals to gain peace. A totally corrupt peace. If that ever comes to
pass, there will be a Cold War between the US and Mexico. In order for things to go back to how they were in Mexico, it would have to cease all
cooperation with the US on stopping drug cartels. The Merida initiative would be a failure. US interests operating in Mexico that are monitoring the
cartels and coordinating with Mexican authorities would get the boot. US spy drones would stop flying. Mexico would stop extraditing captured drug
lords to the US. No information could be shared as it would be passed to the cartels immediately.
The US would give Mexico the cold shoulder and probably give Mexico the travel restrictions it deserves, instead of tippy-toeing around the issue.
Mexicans need to be careful what they wish for.
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Good stuff..
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
..but we do need to be personally responsible and not leave that to someone else. |
In the news story above, where a 69-year old man was shot as he was unloading the groceries from his car in Mexico, what could he have legally and
physically done to prevent his death? Remember that he is 69 and living in Mexico. He cannot legally carry a firearm and he has to go buy food to eat.
As I see it, his only choice was to die on his patio.
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A valid point. No matter how prepared we are, we can always be out gunned or have our security system defeated.
That doesn't mean that we don't do what we can to insure our safety. Nor does it mean that we don't become involved in our communities. Again, IMHO,
walled compounds of wealthy gringos amidst the indigenous poor is more likely to be part of the problem than it is a solution.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
.. Again, IMHO, walled compounds of wealthy gringos amidst the indigenous poor is more likely to be part of the problem than it is a solution.
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And your name is Islandbuilder?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichBaja
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.. Again, IMHO, walled compounds of wealthy gringos amidst the indigenous poor is more likely to be part of the problem than it is a solution.
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ironical, ain't it?
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by cielo
The narco violence sucked for everyone and we hope El Chapo will restore the peace now that he has taken over Baja. |
How can a drug lord restore peace? Do you think the Drug violence will ever end? If so, how? Some Mexicans think that once Calderon is done and if the
declared war on the cartels ends that things will go back to how they were before Calderon was elected. The situation is heartbreaking to those of us
Americans who love Mexico. I have a home in Cabo and love being there if Cabo turns into Rosarito it can sit there empty for all I care. Having to
dodge stray bullets and worry about being kidnapped is not my idea of a relaxing vacation. |
Drugs and money
have always moved through Mexico- under the surface. That's how El Chapo got to be a $Billionaire. That kind of money buys a lot of whatever it is
you want, anywhere on earth. El Chapo bought what he needed in Mexico and has already moved on to Australia and Europe. The lingering turf war in
our area will dwindle and the money, drugs and guns will go back to moving below the surface with the new players and pawns. It will cut the violence
and restore tourism everywhere in Mexico. Mexico doesn't currently have the legal system to handle the bad guys they catch now- police, prosecutors,
processes, judges or jailers. A truce for now is the best they can do. Only other option is extradite them all to the USA and make Mexico pay to
incarcerate them there.
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The US would give Mexico the cold shoulder and probably give Mexico the travel restrictions it deserves, instead of tippy-toeing around the issue.
So what's your beef with Mexico? Is there absolutely nothing redeeming about the country and it's people? When is the last time you've been to Mexico?
Are there absolutely no places in the entire country that are safe? I agree that alot of mainland Mexico is a mess and there are only a few tourist
cities I still visit in there. Cancun, Playa & Akumal are still very popular with tourists and safe in my opinion. I spend 2-3 months in Cabo a
year and aside from the events a couple of weeks ago there has been very little crime there against Americans or tourists. The fact is, statistically,
that if you (yourself) were to spend a week long vacation in any of places I've mentioned you'd have a better chance of getting struck by lightning
here in the States, in whatever city you live in. Does that mean you don't go outside when it rains?
I've done alot of research and I still feel that the tourist destinations I've mentioned are safe for tourists. That being said, if I feel like that's
changing I will no longer go.
I'm just not sure it's fair to paint the entire country with the same brush. I agree it's naive for Americans to travel to Acapulco, Mexico City,
Guadalajara, Monterrey, TJ, Rosarito, Ensenada or anywhere close to the border because we know those places are war zones now.
I feel as safe in San Jose del Cabo as I do at home in Houston. December 14th will mark the 2 year anniversay of my wife and 5 year old daughter being
robbed at gunpoint and car jacked in broad daylight in the parking lot of Memorial City Mall. There are no cities on the face of the earth that are
completely safe. chit happens everywhere.
Where do you live? Where do you vacation? If it's your position that it's not safe for Americans to visit countries where there's poverty and
desperation than you might as well forget about travelling to most if not all tropical destinations in the Carribean and North America in general.
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