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castaway$
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Baja Pro's and Con's
I have been a member for quite awhile and while I am not a prolific poster like some I usually check the forums multiple times each day.
It seems recently there is a lot more "vigorous debate" regarding the Pro's and Con's of Baja. Maybe it is just a guage of the general disatisfaction
people seem to have with our current politcal and economic situation and it manifests itself into a polarizing outlet with Baja taking the brunt
because this is a common ground for us that are members of this cyber society.
Unfortunatley what happens more often now it seems is that the discussion gets heated, turns personal and people leave or lurk and quit contributing,
Jesse being a good example.
There are multiple topic areas that don't get used, Baja 'toons and Baja travel packages are good examples, would it be possible to turn one of those
into a forum to debate the pro's and con's of Baja?
I think there should be an outlet to inform everyone that is a member or just visits the site to learn about Baja and some of the negative aspects one
might encounter on an adventure to the peninsula.
There certainly are a lot more positive aspects ( at least I think so), but those that bring up the negativity have a right to expose their opinions
to everyone and the problem seems to be that people on the other end of the spectrum become offended that someone is attacking their beloved Baja.
Now I am not naive and I know posts that offend others because they are not positive in nature will still be placed under other topics but this could
be a place for the moderators to move them to and it would be like Off topic- enter at your own risk.
Hopefully over time people would just start posting the topics discussing the pro's and con's in the appropriate area and the rest of us wouldn't have
to be exposed to arguments that ensue.
Another feature might be to steal from Facebook and just allow an individual to block all posts from those members that they don't like or are
offended by their posts.
Personally I love this site and I love Baja, this site is my primary resource to keep up on whats going on good or bad and I hate seeing members that
are contributors get frustrated and leave.
Anybody else have ideas that could improve the site and help us all play together in the sandbox without offending others?
Live Indubiously!
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DENNIS
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Nuts. I was expecting a lively thread about hoars and jailbirds. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by castaway$
would it be possible to turn one of those into a forum to debate the pro's and con's of Baja?
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I think that would be wonderful....if it would work although I don't believe it would.
People here don't have discussions, per se. They speak in sound-bites just to make what they feel is a point, and their imaginary audience doesn't
even begin to listen to opposing arguements with any kind of open mind or objectivity.
It's a very selfish, me me me me method of communication.
The Pros and Cons don't mix well here and people don't come here to have their notions debated. They only want to make their point and if this was a
forgiving, open minded round table, we wouldn't have the feces fights.
It's just the way people seem to be when they become faceless.
Just my opinion.
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[Edited on 12-4-2011 by DENNIS]
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Cypress
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On the Pro side, you can drive your own vehicle down. On the con side, food prices aren't much different than north of the border.
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castaway$
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"I think that would be wonderful....if it would work although I don't believe it would." (messed up trying to use the quote function)
You may be right it would come down to whether or not people would use it to post threads that have a negative content or they are trying to incite an
argument.
It's funny how some people morph when they are under the influence of "cyber courage", if you met them in person they wouldn't have the b@lls to say
some of the things you read here to your face.
Do you think it would work to have the ability to block posts on an individual basis from those that you don't like their posts?
[Edited on 12-4-2011 by castaway$]
[Edited on 12-4-2011 by castaway$]
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David K
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Gasoline is a dollar a gallon LESS in Baja!
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motoged
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Pros: Great fish tacos
Cons: I have to drive from British Columbia to get them
Don't believe everything you think....
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Cypress
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Pro side. Friendly local/people. Con. Too many expats/seasonals from Kalifornia!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by castaway$
Do you think it would work to have the ability to block posts on an individual basis from those that you don't like their posts?
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I think that could be helpful. Most of us know that responding to the trolls just feeds the problem, but it's hard to resist once we actually see the
bait. There are certain posters here whom I suspect the majority would simply blackhole if they could, instantly reducing their attention-attracting
ability [no audience] the point it might not be worthwhile for them to keep spewing... 
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Yeah....you know in advance that a persons post will ruin your day, but you just can't resist opening it. Probaly the masochist in us all.
Anyway....we all have the power to resist and ignore, and don't require the assistance of a machine to do that.
"Just say NO." Thank you, Nancy.
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Ateo
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Pros: Baja is full of hot women!
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by castaway$
It's funny how some people morph when they are under the influence of "cyber courage", if you met them in person they wouldn't have the b@lls to say
some of the things you read here to your face. |
I've seen it work both ways here. You seem to only be addressing the outrageous "negative" posts you disagree with. There are quite a few outrageous
"positive" posts here also. I have seen BajaNomads swear that the medical system in Mexico is better than in the US. I have seen BajaNomads offer up
for sale overpriced homes on worthless titles on ejido lands. I have seen warnings about dealing with certain American business people in Baja that
were totally warranted and justified as they were outright crooks who ripped-off many an innocent gringo. I have seen many warnings about gas station
ripoffs.
The only way to drill down to the truth is to let all sides speak and let an intelligent reader make a decision based upon all the data...not the
filtered data. If you split off the "negatives" to their own thread, how would a reader find a rebuttal argument to an outright "positive" lie? If you
want only happy thoughts, there are many, many Mexico related message boards that are monitored and censored. They are all operated by people who make
a living one way or another from marketing Mexico.
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wessongroup
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Without a discussion of ALL ... what fun would it be... just saying...
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Woooosh
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Pros: The food and freedom from the bloodsucking lawyers who have spoiled the fun of recreational risk taking Stateside.
Cons: Baja doesn't stretch your dollar like it used to (with the current exception of the peso being 13:1), the God awful drivers, and having to keep
your situational awareness level set on "High" all the time (becomes emotionally draining).
No board censors please. The tone of the posts change when Baja changes. I've noticed that over the years. Some of us are stubborn, but most of us
are not idiots. Accepting change is hard for some. The "overly positive" posts usually get a reality check response with multiple "eye-rolling"
smiles. Bad behavior is generally confronted and the offender trashed in OT. At times it's just a sandbox for the big kids and not everyone plays
fair or nice. If you want to play in a classy environment- join Baja Nomads on Facebook.
[Edited on 12-4-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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I don't think this was a request for Pros and Cons, but a suggestion for how to deal with them when they caused problems.
That's what I think, anyway. Could be wrong, but that's just what I think. 
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Woooosh
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no one reads long posts Dennis.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
On the Pro side, you can drive your own vehicle down. On the con side, food prices aren't much different than north of the border.
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I beg to differ with regard to food prices. The food in San Felipe was very economical - I was surprised by the low(er) prices there at El Colorado
and The Green House.
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Curt63
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Pro
EMPTY coastline
Nuff said
No worries
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
no one reads long posts Dennis.
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Ohhh...yeah. I forgot. 
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Gasoline is a dollar a gallon LESS in Baja! |
I noticed this RIGHT AWAY! You simply can't beat the great deals, IMO...
Great food abounds as well..Asadero Morlan numero 2 - Hwy 2 - El Progreso (Mexicali), BCN, MEX.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
no one reads long posts Dennis.
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Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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