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Mengano
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The myth of the friendly Mexican
Mexico Violence: Mexico is in first place in sexual violence: UN
Mexico ranks first in sexual assaults against women, according to a 2010 United Nations Organization (UN) report. A global comparative study of by the
UN of women who have suffered sexual violence indicates that Mexico is first with 44 percent, followed by Costa Rica with 41, the Czech Republic 35
and Denmark with 28 percent.
The Ministry of Health estimates that around 120,000 rapes occur each year in Mexico , one every four minutes, although to date no comprehensive care
is provided to the victims because there is no effective follow-up of cases.
http://www.excelsior.com.mx/index.php?m=nota&seccion=sec...
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BobY
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Mengano's myth-busting research proves that Mexicans are not friendly.
Now that we have that cleared up (your Mexican friends and family are just pretending to be friendly), I'm very curious why Mexico's rates of domestic
violence and general violence against women are much more normal than the general sexual violence statistics. This pattern seems to be way outside the
norm for countries in general.
By the way: this is a lifetime incidence (at least once ever). Not to downplay it, it's just that I've seen people run with statistics like this and
come to even more extreme conclusions. This was done recently in the Mexican and other press with some domestic violence research.
Back to the point about the surprising gap: The stats below provide examples. First one shows big gap. Second shows much smaller gap:
U.S.: 17% of women have experienced sexual violence, per the Justice Dept.
Mexico: 44% per U.N.
US: 8% of women have lifetime incidence of intimate partner sexual violence, per CDC
Mexico: 11% per UN
US: 24% of women have lifetime incidence of at least one severe violent act by an intimate partner (from hair pulling on up)
Mexico: 23%, per UN
But now, here's one with Mexico really high again:
Women's lifetime incidence of violence, regardless of perpetrator:
US ? (I don't have) England's 20% with severe at 15%, Germany's about 29% (ach tung!)
Mexico: 40%, per UN
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I research stuff like this for continuing education programs, so I'm not as compulsive as I sound. Either that or I am, but at least I get paid
something for it. And yes, I know there are problems with statistics, but at least this is modern survey data that is probably a lot less subject to
problems of earlier research (or interpretations of it) that has been criticized on domestic violence.
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Some sources:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/755598
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a...
http://www.michigan.gov/mdcr/0,4613,7-138-4957-267532--,00.h...
The UN report referred to in the press:
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/Worldswomen/...
Happy New Year! Stay Safe!
Bob
Rosarito
www.Yourell.com/news_mexico/
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CortezBlue
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lies
damn lies
and statistics
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larryC
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I'm glad that the Mexican that stopped to help me (unsolicited) when my truck broke down in an intersection in Loreto, didn't know he was unfreindly.
He might not have stopped for me.
Larry
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by larryC
I'm glad that the Mexican that stopped to help me (unsolicited) when my truck broke down in an intersection in Loreto, didn't know he was unfreindly.
He might not have stopped for me.
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Do you think this Ex-pat is as glad as you are?
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Date: October 23, 2011 5 pm
Type: Robbery with Violence
Location: Ajijic - La Floresta
Source: Victim
Homeowner Present: Yes
Deterrents: Bars on Windows, High Walls, Locked Doors, Electric Fence
Description: I have been late in posting this; dealing with the trauma, ministerios.........................
Two months ago, a Mexican guy from GDL whom I thought was a friend having met him a few times in GDL, was visiting the area so I showed him around
and prior to him going back in the afternoon, invited him back for something to eat.
In brief, he tied me up and tried to kill me a number of times. While he was loading our car with some of our electronic goods, I managed to free
myself. On realising I was free, he took off in the car. But the “nightmare” continued for weeks with dealing with the Ministerio Publico.
It would take pages to describe the details so will give a brief outline. One woman in the Chapala office was not only unhelpful, but rude,
obstructive and made me go back unnecessarily, deliberately kept me waiting, refused to sign the denuncio and at one point, refused to give me a copy.
Even while I was finalising the report with them, my car had been found – two days after the robbery – and was sitting in the compound a few blocks
away. They either did not know or tell me but it was 8 days later that we were told that the car had been found. Because it was found by the Police in
Ixtlauacan, I had to go to the Ministerio Publico there and make a new declaration and more papers and several copies.
While not rude, the staff there kept delaying saying they either had no time or some other excuse. On one occasion, I was told to meet one individual
there for the final papers. I confirmed the appointment two hours before. On arrival at the Ministerio in Ixtlaucan, I was told he was gone for the
day and the staff there would give us no explanation and locked the door behind us.
The papers were finally transferred to Chapala but more delays because they were not correct. I finally went to the ministerio and said I would sit
there for as long as it took to get the car. I was there 7 hours and got the car at 7.30pm that night. In all, it took five weeks to get the car. But
that was still not the end. More paperwork and the final release papers to be done the next week.
I was told to take copies personal ly to five different authorities scattered around Guadalajara but the Ministerio could not give the addresses as
they did not know them - or maybe just did not want to look them up. I was told a police investigator would be assigned to the case and would meet
with me. It is now two months and still have not met with anyone.
I told the staff at the Ministerio that I have some details that would lead them to the criminal but they said to tell the Police investigator. I met
with a local expat lawyer who got me to meet with a criminal layer from GDL who said I needed to work with an investigator who works with him. This
investigator said he would have the criminal in jail in less than 2 weeks but first I had to pay part of the fee.
It is now 7 weeks. He never called me and when I called him it was always “next week”, “tomorrow” and he gathered no new information. Now he will not
answer his phone and the lawyer in GDL does not respond either. There are many more details that would highlight further frustrations, such as being
told that the problems I am having at the Ministerios are all my fault for letting this guy into my house in the first place.
The file relating to the incident and on the car is about 2 inches thick. As far as I know, the file on the criminal does not exist. At this juncture,
I have to conclude that one good reason for so much crime here is that crime does pay. Not only is the victim treated badly, but I am told that there
is more than a 90% chance the criminal will get away with it.
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You post all the personal examples you can think of, and I will post published incidents to rebuke them.
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Mengano
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Another friendly Mexican stopped to help a stranded motorist last night. Just as easily could have stopped for you LarryC. You see LarryC, if I had
not pulled this out of today's newspaper, you would never know about it, would you? You only know what you know, and that is not much, because you are
not a Mexican living your life in Mexico.
Balean a dos al oponerse a asalto; uno murió
TIJUANA.- Dos hombres bajaron de un auto en el Bulevar 2000 a la altura del fraccionamiento Hacienda Los Venados, pues iban a cambiar la llanta del
lado izquierdo debido a que se ponchó.
Eran alrededor de las 19:25 horas del domingo cuando ambos bajaron la herramienta, mientras dos mujeres esperaban a bordo del auto Chevrolet Lumina,
color blanco, con placas de circulación BHL7895.
Detrás de ellos se estacionó una vagoneta, color blanco, del cual bajó una persona quien vestía una chamarra de color rojo, quien les exigió entregar
sus pertenencias, pero ambos hombres se negaron y fueron baleados.
En el lugar murió de un disparo en el tórax quien en vida respondía al de nombre Samuel de León Martínez, de 38 años.
Junto a él estaba herido José Manuel "N", de 59 años, quien resultó con una herida de bala en el brazo derecho.
Paramédicos de la Cruz Roja de las unidades BC-160 y BC-171 a cargo de Gustavo de la Llave e Ignacio Miranda, respectivamente, llegaron al lugar de
los hechos para dar los primeros auxilios.
Diagnosticaron el fallecimiento de Samuel y trasladaron al herido al Hospital General.
http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/22/poli...
Two wounded resisting an assault; one dies
TIJUANA - Two men got out of their car on Bulevar 2000 besides Hacienda Los Venados subdivision, then started to change a left side tire that went
flat. It was around 7:25PM on Sunday (Christmas Day) when both took out the tools, meanwhile the women waited in the car, a white Chevrolet Lumina,
with license plates BHL7895.
Behind them, a white SUV parked and a person dressed in a red jacket got out and told them to surrender all their pertinences, but both men refused
and were shot.
Samuel de Leon Martinez, 38-years old, died at that place with a shot to the thorax.
Along with him, Jose Manuel "N", 59 years old, was wounded in the right arm.
Paramedics from the Red Cross in units BC-160 and BC-171, operated by de Gustavo de la Llave and Ignacio Miranda, respectively, arrived at the scene
to provide first aid.
They pronounced Samuel dead and transferred the wounded man to the General Hospital.
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bajabass
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How many people were shot in L.A. yesterday by non-Mexicans??? San Diego???? Fresno???? Sacramento???? Hey, Orange County for that matter!!!
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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You should never resist handing over all your belongings to a robber with a gun. Your things could be replaced, however you can't be replaced.
Anybody that stereotypes a groups of people of all sharing certain negative or even positive traits is almost always most certainly wrong, and it
could even sometimes be called racist or at least certainly demeaning to to group of people that you're pigeonholing.
One size doesn't fit all, and Mexicans are no exception.
[Edited on 12-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
How many people were shot in L.A. yesterday by non-Mexicans??? San Diego???? Fresno???? Sacramento???? Hey, Orange County for that matter!!!
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I don't know, Jon. Why don't you research that and report back to us? I'll give you a hint of where to look. Start with the FBI crime statistics for
the US, then compare them to the Mexican statistics. Just as soon as you find out the murder rate in Mexico is 6 times the rate in the US you'll drop
that approach like a bad habit.
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bajabass
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I will not waste my time researching numbers that do not concern me. I have not heard a gunshot since I left California, and really, that is all I
care about. I, and my family are safe. Are you?? Where do you reside?? Research the crime there, and report on that.
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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larryC
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I guess I have a life, cause I have no desire to sit around a computer screen all day and night and post about problems in Mex and the US. Sure the
murder rate is 6 times higher in Mex, but most of those murdered are the type of people that I am not going to miss. It is sad the state of affairs
that Mex has fallen into because of the US insatiable hunger for drugs. Something has to be done, I just have no idea what that is. And since I know
nothing I'll let people like you worry about it.
Larry
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bajabass
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 Happy Holidays Larry!
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Bajahowodd
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Seems to me that a certain someone has an obsession.
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BobY
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...and the sport of trying to get other people to react with as much frustration as possible, I'll wager. A form of emo-tainment. We could have a
contest to see who the top performers are at getting people stirred up for the longest period of time per thread.
When they aren't around, there's a bot that will so a soft-core version of it:
http://www.cleverbot.com/
After all, it is an algorithm.
Bob
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BobY
...and the sport of trying to get other people to react with as much frustration as possible, I'll wager. A form of emo-tainment. We could have a
contest to see who the top performers are at getting people stirred up for the longest period of time per thread.
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Put a sock in it Bob. I've read enough of your misogynistic and smarmy writings to understand where your head is at. And your genetically-based
theories of abusive people is reminiscent of Heinrich Himmler. Too bad your quack theory has been disproved by greater minds than yours.
You and I are on opposite poles. You actually encourage Americans to move to Rosarito, a city with a higher murder rate than New Orleans. I'd rather
they stay away and live to talk about it. You are the Judas goat of Rosarito, nothing more.
You cannot even write a three-paragraph blog without dropping the names of five published authors into it, as if somehow saying their names means you
are just as great as they are.
When are you going to report the real news in your community channel broadcasts? Try reporting that the entire Rosarito police department in on the
payroll of the drug cartels. Tell the story of how uniformed police officers attacked the new police chief Montero, a couple of years ago, and tell
the folks why. Tell them that Mayor Javier Robles has about 15 members of his family on the city payroll. Tell them that the mayor of Ensenada,
Enrique Pelayo, had his US visa yanked by the American consulate in Tijuana because he was extorting SEMPRA, using the Ensenada city police department
as his personal goons to shut down the LNG plant.
Did you do a news item on the murder of Robert Paul Frey? Gary Louis Barlow? Katherine Margaret Reeves? All three were murdered in Ensenada last
October.
You don't really report the news, do you Bob? You show the mayor handing out blankets to a couple of indios, or tour the library, or do a fast cut to
some mariachis singing Rancho Grande. It's really homogenized and pasteurized news, isn't it? It's not real.
If you were real, Bob, instead of touting Mexico as a destination for cheaper medical care for Americans, you would tell everybody that real Mexicans
line up at 3AM at the IMSS hospital and wait in line for 6 hours just to get an appointment to see a doctor. Not to see a doctor, Bob, to get an
appointment time to see a doctor. And you would tell them that even when the Mexicans are prescribed medicine a the IMSS, it is not available at the
IMSS pharmacy so they have to go buy it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BobY
Mengano's myth-busting research proves that Mexicans are not friendly.
Now that we have that cleared up (your Mexican friends and family are just pretending to be friendly), I'm very curious why Mexico's rates of domestic
violence and general violence against women are much more normal than the general sexual violence statistics. This pattern seems to be way outside the
norm for countries in general.
By the way: this is a lifetime incidence (at least once ever). Not to downplay it, it's just that I've seen people run with statistics like this and
come to even more extreme conclusions. This was done recently in the Mexican and other press with some domestic violence research.
Back to the point about the surprising gap: The stats below provide examples. First one shows big gap. Second shows much smaller gap:
U.S.: 17% of women have experienced sexual violence, per the Justice Dept.
Mexico: 44% per U.N.
US: 8% of women have lifetime incidence of intimate partner sexual violence, per CDC
Mexico: 11% per UN
US: 24% of women have lifetime incidence of at least one severe violent act by an intimate partner (from hair pulling on up)
Mexico: 23%, per UN
But now, here's one with Mexico really high again:
Women's lifetime incidence of violence, regardless of perpetrator:
US ? (I don't have) England's 20% with severe at 15%, Germany's about 29% (ach tung!)
Mexico: 40%, per UN
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I research stuff like this for continuing education programs, so I'm not as compulsive as I sound. Either that or I am, but at least I get paid
something for it. And yes, I know there are problems with statistics, but at least this is modern survey data that is probably a lot less subject to
problems of earlier research (or interpretations of it) that has been criticized on domestic violence.
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Some sources:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/755598
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a...
http://www.michigan.gov/mdcr/0,4613,7-138-4957-267532--,00.h...
The UN report referred to in the press:
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/Worldswomen/...
Happy New Year! Stay Safe!
Bob
Rosarito
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larryC
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Mengano
I'm just curious, what is your agenda here on Nomads? I see that you have almost 800 posts in just over 3 months under this user name. Probably alot
more under various other names. What are you trying to say? Mexico has more problems than the US? Not trying to start an argument or anything just
wondering why someone would devote so much time to an issue.
Larry
PS And Bajabass, Happy holidays to you also!
Edit to add PS.
[Edited on 12-27-2011 by larryC]
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bajabass
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Psychosis???
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
Psychosis??? |
Altruism. Something you would not comprehend.
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larryC
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Altruism, Bajabass probably does know what it means, but I looked it up on Wiki to be sure.
Altruism /ˈæltruːɪzəm/ is a concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures, and a core aspect of
various religious traditions, though the concept of 'others' toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions. Altruism is
the opposite of selfishness.
Altruism can be distinguished from feelings of loyalty and duty. Altruism is a motivation to provide something of value to a party who must be anyone
but the self, while duty focuses on a moral obligation towards a specific individual (for example, a god, a king), or collective (for example, a
government). Some individuals may feel both altruism and duty, while others may not. Pure altruism consists of giving something of value[citation
needed] (a reward or benefit) with no expectation of any compensation or benefits, either direct, or indirect (for instance from recognition of the
giving).
The term altruism may also refer to an ethical doctrine that claims that individuals are morally obliged to benefit others. Used in this sense, it is
the opposite of egoism.
I realize you didn't address your response to me but I am assuming that you are saying that your agenda here on Nomads is "Altruism" is that true?
Larry
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