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FMM needed to fish in Mexican Waters
With the new Immigration law passed last May, anyone entering Mexican waters to fish will need an FMM. Such as leaving from San Diego to fish for the
day. Link attached, http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...a-fish-mexico/
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HOLA, HUHHH !! any more on this ???
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Anglers need a visa to fish in Mexico
Anglers need a visa to fish in Mexico
As expected, all anglers venturing into Mexico on fishing trips – by sea or by land -- now are required to obtain a visa in order to fish there.
The cost of the visas will be approximately $21, but will be tied into the value of the peso. Anglers must also have a fishing permit (approximately
$11) or a yearly Mexican fishing license (approximately $45).
The Sportfishing Association of California today released some of the parameters surrounding the new documentation that all anglers must have to fish
in Mexico. The local landings are working out an arrangement for a private company to administer the visas at the docks. SAC member vessels will
obtain a visa through a program sanctioned by the Mexican Immigration Department (INAMI). All crew members must have a visa in order to work on
fishing boats in Mexico. The third party company will work out of the local landings to make it easier for local anglers to obtain a visa.
“This program will permit the application process to be administered through a company approved by INAMI,” the SAC release said today. “This company
is currently working with the sportfishing landings in San Diego to establish the required infrastructure. Once the process is ‘live’ the feasibility
of opening it up to the general boating public will be evaluated by the San Diego Landings.”
According to SAC, on May 25, 2011, a new immigration law in Mexico was enacted by Mexico’s Immigration Department “in order to create in our country a
framework of guarantees to protect the rights of the individuals in our country, facilitate and manage the migratory flows to and from Mexico,
favoring the protection and respect of human rights of Mexicans and foreigners, regardless their origin, nationality, gender, ethnicity, age and
immigration status.” Source INAMI (Mexico’s Immigration Department).
INAMI informed SAC that the new immigration law requires that all foreigners entering Mexican waters
INAMI has informed us that Articles 33, 44, 46, 50, 153, and 154 of the new immigration law require that all foreigners entering Mexican territory,
which includes Mexican territorial waters and contiguous waters (24 miles) from shore, must have a Visa.
INAMI said anglers have two primary ways to apply for a Mexican visa if they intend to enter Mexico’s territorial waters. Boaters may appear at the
Mexican land border points of entry and obtain a visa through an INAMI designated facility. Or boaters may report to the Port of Ensenada’s point of
entry and contact the IMANI Office at the Port to obtain a visa.
SAC is offering the third option for anglers to get a visa at the local landings.
The new rules are:
All U.S. or international tourists travelling to Mexico must have a visa to enter Mexico. It’s called a FMM permit. This permit must go through a
different process, depending on whether one is entering Mexico by land or by sea.
INAMI has authorized a third party organization to issue the water entry visa at the five San Diego landings for tourists with passage on any SAC
member vessel. All other visas must be obtained in Mexico.
The cost of the visa will vary and depend on the length of the trip and the value of the peso.
INAMI will monitor the border and do random inspections of all vessels crossing into Mexican waters. Private boaters along with commercial passenger
fishing vessels will be checked.
All those boarded will be asked to show a national ID and a Mexican visa.
All FMM visas must be returned within 24 hours upon return to the U.S.
Recreational boaters who aren’t fishing, but just traveling through Mexico’s territorial waters, will not be required to have a visa.
Also, all crew members will be required to have a FM3 visa, which can be obtained through the third party company set up at the landings or at a INAMI
office.
Visa applications may be made at the following locations:
Fisherman’s Landing, 2838 Garrison Street, San Diego, CA 92106 (619) 221-8500 www.FishermansLanding.com
H&M Sportfishing, 2803 Emerson Street, San Diego, CA 92106, (619) 222-1144 www.HMLanding.com
Point Loma Sportfishing, 1403 Scott Street, San Diego, CA 92106, (619) 223-1627 www.PointLomaSportfishing.com
Seaforth Sportfishing, 1717 Quivira Road, San Diego, CA 92109 (619) 224-3383 www.SeaforthLanding.com
Dana Landing, 2580 Ingraham Street, San Diego, CA 92109, (619) 226-2929 www.Danalanding.com
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This is the Final Straw
Well I promise (as God is my witness) never to set foot in Mexico again or buy anything manufactured there. You guys can have this screwed up, crime
invested, corrupt and immoral country all to yourselves.
I'm sure I'll drive my boat from San Diego all the way down to Ensenada to purchase a one day Visa. Then head back 10 miles to the Coronado Islands
to fish for the day. There are two more options but equally as bad. And that's for everyone in the boat each day you fish there.
So I'm signing off like ********************************* Jesse did.
Enjoy your flocked up country. You all deserve what the mexicans have in mind for you gringos in the future in their financially collasping country.
I'm sure I will not be the only person boycotting mexicao because of this event. Just plain "stupid is as stupid does".
[Edited on 1-1-2012 by BajaNomad]
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Or, you can buy a California licence and try to find fish after all the productive areas have been shut down by the MLPA closures. Oh, by the way,
Jesse checked out here because of all the negative, mean-spirited posters. NOT because he dislikes Mexico. @$%&$#@%^???? WTF, do you even know
him????
Also, it is much more than 10 miles from Ensenada to the Coronados. You don't "buy" a one day visa, you request the free 7 day version. Did you call
any of the landings listed to check on the applications there for visas??? I wonder if Mexicans can fish U.S. waters with out licence or visa????
Good luck with your boycott, from cars and trucks, to clothes and televisions, MANY of our retail products come from Mexico.
[Edited on 1-2-2012 by bajabass]
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and the good ole usa is not corrupt ?? ever hear of the fed reserve bank,,its a private bank that's robbing us blind,,keep watching your tv,,a and do
what your told,,oh,a get a driving ticket for talking on a cell for example,,$250 fine and you insure goes up,,and as the cop is pulling back onto the
hwy,you see him talking on his,,cell phone..to his ------ yeb,,the usa is the only free place on the planet and has good health care,the schools get
better by the hr,and no corrupt politiction's,,you probly dont relize,,that new zeland is the highest rated place in the world to live in,,,yea ,,its
time to open are eye's,mind,s ..what you belive,,may not be the thruth !!!
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Lobsterman is the same person who said so many bad things about Shari at Bahia Asuncion... now these lies about Jesse. He also is quite the navigator!
Good luck on finding the Coronado Islands!!
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I was not going to bring up previous indescretions, this was bad enough.
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New Visa Requirements - Land and Sea?
Originally published December 29, 2011 at 5:12 p.m., updated December 29, 2011 at 5:51 p.m.
As expected, all anglers venturing into Mexico on fishing trips – by sea or by land – will be required on Jan. 1 to have a visa in order to fish there
due to an immigration law enacted in May by the Mexican government.
Mexican authorities are expected to begin enforcing the visa requirements for fishermen on Jan. 1, starting with random checks of commercial passenger
fishing boats and private boats in Mexican waters. The new visa regulation will impact thousands of anglers who board boats in San Diego and fish in
Mexico.
Ken Franke, president of the Sportfishing Association of California, an organization that represents over 200 commercial passenger fishing boats in
Southern California from San Diego to Ventura, has been working for months with Mexican officials to solve the visa issue. He believes the genesis of
the new immigration regulation stemmed from Mexico receiving so many inquiries last year about passports and the proper documentation required of
fishermen. He believes the government decided to make it clear with these immigration regulations, starting with fishing.
“Mexico is tightening its border in the current political climate,” Franke said.
Franke and others questioned weren’t sure if this new tourist visa in the future would be required for all tourists, not just fishermen, entering
Mexico. In other words, would a foursome going down to play golf at Bajamar or Real Del Mar also need a tourist visa?
“The implications are ridiculous,” said John Yamate, part owner and general manager at Seaforth Sportfishing. “Everything Mexico gives us is unclear,
the do’s, the don’ts and who it affects. I see this for what it is, and that’s a big money grab.”
The visa requirement is expected to severely impact half-day and three-quarter-day fishing trips into Mexican waters by the commercial passenger boats
out of San Diego. It will mean a nearly 34 percent increase in the cost of a ticket for a three-quarter-day trip ($95 for the trip plus $33 for the
visa) and a 73 percent increase in the cost of a half-day trip ($45 for the trip plus $33 for the visa).
“Maybe if there’s a really good bite on yellowtail at the Coronado Islands, fishermen will pay the extra cost, but the average angler won’t pay this,”
said Capt. Ron Baker, who runs the Point Loma, often into Mexican waters, for owner Fred Huber out of Point Loma Sportfishing. “The recreational
dollar already has been hit hard, and now you’re going to add this extra cost to fish Mexico. It could lead to the demise of our local fleet here.”
Huber said the new visa requirement will eliminate the winter rock cod trips his half-day boat, the Daily Double, makes to the lower end of the 9-Mile
Bank in Mexican waters.
“The other thing that hits us is that all our crew members will need visas, too,” Huber said. “That’s going to cost $250 per crew member. We use
interchangeable crew members on our boats here, so it’s going to be important to make sure we get visas for the right crew members.”
The cost of the visas will range from $33.06 for three days of fishing or less to $250 for a yearly visa. The cost will vary depending on the value of
the peso. All captains and crew members of sport boats will need the visa as well as all anglers on the boats. Fishermen who venture to Mexico on
private boats also will need the visas and a Mexican fishing permit (approximately $11) or a yearly Mexican fishing license (approximately $45).
The visa is not required for anglers who are passing through Mexican waters (considered from shore out to 24 miles) to reach international waters
beyond Mexico’s 24-mile zone. Anglers on boats that are fishing offshore for bluefin, albacore or other migratory fish in open water won’t need the
visa.
But anglers on long-range boats that fish around inhabited Mexican-owned islands like the buffer zone of the Revillagigedo Islands will need the visa.
Starting Jan. 1, the five San Diego landings are expected to have Mexican fishing visas available after securing them in bulk from a new company, MEX
Tourist Assistance. The company is a Mexican-based company owned by Ana Guillermina Amezaga, according to Troy Williams, a U.S.-based representative
of the company. MEX Tour Assistance guarantees a three-hour turnaround on visa applications, said Williams, who works in the aerospace industry and is
an avid angler. He said the company will give a $5 discount on all visas through Feb. 1. The company is adding an $11 handling charge to the visa
cost, and some captains already say they’ll look into getting their own to avoid the surcharge, or as one captain put it, “the tax on the tax.”
For now, private boaters will have to visit the Mexican immigration office in Tijuana in order to get a visa.
Yamate said fishermen must bring some form of identification to the landing in order to get a visa.
“We’re trying to establish a system modeled after our Mexican fishing permit system,” Yamate said. “Is it a pain in the butt? Yes. It also means that
all anglers, adults and children, will need some form of identification, whether it’s a driver’s license, birth certificate, library card, school
I.D., something for identification.”
Yamate said passports won’t be required, which is ironic because the passport issue, and whether they were required by anglers going to fish in
Mexico, spawned this new visa regulation.
Captains see this is just another strike against the fishing industry in Southern California. On Jan. 1, in addition to the visa requirement in
Mexico, the South Coast Region fishing closures mandated by the Marine Life Protection Act take effect, as does the two-month rockfish closures for
nearshore waters, from the Mexican border to Point Conception.
The fee schedule charged by MEX Tour Assistance will be as follows:
FMM 3 days or less – $33.06.
FMM 4-9 days -- $38.06.
FMM 10 days or more -- $43.06.
FM3 for one year -- $250.
According to SAC, on May 25, 2011, a new immigration law in Mexico was enacted by Mexico’s Immigration Department (INAMI) “in order to create in our
country a framework of guarantees to protect the rights of the individuals in our country, facilitate and manage the migratory flows to and from
Mexico, favoring the protection and respect of human rights of Mexicans and foreigners, regardless their origin, nationality, gender, ethnicity, age
and immigration status.”
“The law is in Articles 33, 44, 46, 50, 153 and 154 of the new immigration law that all foreigners entering Mexican territory, which includes Mexican
territorial waters and contiguous waters (24 miles) from shore, must have a visa,” the SAC release said.
INAMI said anglers have two primary ways to apply for a Mexican visa if they intend to enter Mexico’s territorial waters. Boaters may appear at the
Mexican land border points of entry and obtain a visa through an INAMI designated facility. There is one just across the border in Tijuana. Or boaters
may report to the Port of Ensenada’s point of entry and contact the IMANI Office at the Port of Ensenada to obtain a visa.
SAC’s third option is to work through MEX Tourist Assistance to make it easier for anglers to get their visas.
The cost of the visa will vary and depend on the length of the trip and the value of the peso.
Visa applications may be made at the following locations:
Fisherman’s Landing, 2838 Garrison Street, San Diego, CA 92106 (619) 221-8500 www.FishermansLanding.com
H&M Sportfishing, 2803 Emerson Street, San Diego, CA 92106, (619) 222-1144 www.HMLanding.com
Point Loma Sportfishing, 1403 Scott Street, San Diego, CA 92106, (619) 223-1627 www.PointLomaSportfishing.com
Seaforth Sportfishing, 1717 Quivira Road, San Diego, CA 92109 (619) 224-3383 www.SeaforthLanding.com
Dana Landing, 2580 Ingraham Street, San Diego, CA 92109, (619) 226-2929 www.Danalanding.com
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so...does this apply if your are staying in the Baja Norte area...San Felipe to Gonzaga...no FMM no Visa just fishing license???
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I read about the visa requirement this morning in the San Diego Union. What a big money grab for the Mexican government. I guess they need to tap in
to whatever they can to help pay for all the free health care from the Popular insurance to everyone who lives in Mexico!!
$33 per person, including any crew memebers on board, in addition to Mexican fishing permit. WOW!
I'll get my fish at the market!
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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I believe you have always needed and FMT-FMM for that area. Not sure it is considered the tourist zone. Be safe, just have all your paperwork handled.
The cost of a 180 day FMM, twice, and an annual Mexican license, and no worries, you are good for a year of Baja fishing!! Yeah, that will tally close
to $100.00. Contrary to previous posts, there are fish, and it is a bargain!!!
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I think with all the new security requirements being implemented between the countries things will get tougher and tougher.
Not Baja but similar problems to the north. This is a cut and paste.
From the St Lawrence river (US Canada Border goes down the middle)
Hi guys; Here is something that you need to keep an eye on. Two cases of border patrol giving tickets to boaters on the river.
Case #1 was a US. fisherman who was drift fishing in Cdn. water near Gan. when he was stopped by Cdn. border patrol and asked for his fishing license
which he had. They then asked for his reporting in # and he did not have one since he had not landed but had had just come by boat from the US to
fish, not touched land or anchored. They told him since he was not under power he was deemed to have landed and they gave him a ticket for $1,000.00
which had to be paid on the spot by credit card ot they would impound the boat. The guy paid the ticket – I saw the photo copy of this ticket at a
meeting of the 1000 Is. International Tourism Council. He was told that he should have gone to report in station in Gan and phoned in when he came
over AND phoned back in before he left Cdn. water. US fishing guides and resort owners are having fits!!
Case #2 was reported to Mary at Caiger’s by a regular customer who said it happened to member of his family ( I have no proof to confirm this ). A guy
on a PWC went from Canada to Boldt Castle, just to look at it from the water. He drove around it and decided to stop on the water to look at it more
closely. While stopped on the water he never touched land or anchored. He was stopped by US border patrol and given a $300 ticket for illegal entry
into the US. The customer that told Mary the story went to customs at Boldt Castle to inquire about the law and the officer on duty said that he knew
nothing about the law. The ticket was written by a different agency. Apparently there are laws on the books in both countries that say if you are not
under way you are considered to have landed and they have been there for ever but have not been enforced. This should make for an interesting season
for tournament anglers and recreational fishermen. We need to spread the word and get some form of ruling from those in power. Tight Lines
That's the copy of the email. I have heard other stories but can't confirm if they are true or not. The best thing to do before you cross the border,
is to make some phone calls to U.S. or Canada Customs and get the proper information. If you don't it could cost you a lot of money and some major
head aches. Apparently within a few years things will be changing.
Below is some more info I received from a friend.
the Form 68 (I think that’s what its call) will be fazed out in 3-4 years and you will have to apply for another type security card and must submit
a float plan for approval prior to fishing US waters. So this will really put a squeeze on things ref border waters with US. This is going to throw a
screw into the Kingston Open as well, as some if not most fish US side or islands
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
The cost of a 180 day FMM, twice, and an annual Mexican license, and no worries, you are good for a year of Baja fishing!! Yeah, that will tally
close to $100.00. Contrary to previous posts, there are fish, and it is a bargain!!! |
How is that a bargain? The cost of the same fishing license in California is $50 (no visa needed) and includes fresh water fishing (of which there is
none in Baja) and the right to take mollusks, crustaceans and invertebrates, which are illegal to take in Mexico for foreigners. So how is twice the
fee for a limited range of species a bargain?
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There is no way to compare Baja fishing to California. Why do you think the entire San Diego fleet fishes mostly Mexican waters???? More fish, bigger
fish, better fish!!!! That is why!! What hoops would a Mexican citizen have to jump through to legally fish Catalina or San Clemente Island?? Then
again, why would he want to??? All the most productive areas are closing down for the Marine Life Protective Acts next year! Concentrating more
fisherman into an even smaller area. I'm not wealthy by any means, but I smiled in anticipation when I bought a new annual licence 2 days ago.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
There is no way to compare Baja fishing to California. |
Maybe, but that was not your statement. You said $100 was a "bargain." Now you are selling the sizzle, not the steak, by making judgmental comparisons
instead of dollars-to-dollars comparisons. I am also not sure that there is no way to compare Baja fishing to California.
Try comparing fishing for rainbow trout in Baja to fishing for rainbow trout in California. Try comparing collecting abalone in Baja (illegal!) to
collecting same in California.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
The cost of a 180 day FMM, twice, and an annual Mexican license, and no worries, you are good for a year of Baja fishing!! Yeah, that will tally
close to $100.00. Contrary to previous posts, there are fish, and it is a bargain!!! |
How is that a bargain? The cost of the same fishing license in California is $50 (no visa needed) and includes fresh water fishing (of which there is
none in Baja) and the right to take mollusks, crustaceans and invertebrates, which are illegal to take in Mexico for foreigners. So how is twice the
fee for a limited range of species a bargain? |
chuck:
re your statement that there is no freshwater fishing in baja,... au contraire, fulano, there are trout in the SPM mountains, but not sure what
license is required to fish trout. probably many other fresh water spots with fair fishing, such as san ignacio, and areas in baja sur.
you can't compare CA fishing to baja fishing just on basis of number of species,... different species and different water temps and different
governments, etc...
re needing a visa to enter mexican territorial waters,... it's their country and they can make their own rules! for comparison, what does US require
of canadians enntering US waters for leisure fishing? and what does US require of mexicans entering US waters for leisure fishing?
relative to USA, seems to me that it is quite a bargain to fish in baja, as you can fish from shore with no license! try that in the USA!
[Edited on 12-30-2011 by mtgoat666]
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Though the opportunities are few, there are trout in Baja. There are bass in a few bodies of water. The mainland has some of the best bass fishing in
the world! El Salto and Lago Huites, been there, done it, with my Mexican licence that is good for the whole country.
Try fishing Florida with a CA licence. Talk to some divers and ask them how hard it is to find a legal abalone in CA waters. Goat has a great point
in that no licence is required for shore fishing. For the amount of quality fishing time, and fillets in my fridge, Mexico is a real bargain.
Oh, not to mention that the majority of trout taken by sport fisherman in CA are hatchery raised, pellet fed, foul tasting, non-fighting jokes for
fish!!!
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It's my understanding that in and above Meling Ranch, there are places with trout the size of Albacore....well, almost. Large and abundant, anyway.
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Is that a fishermans exaggeration Dennis???
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