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American murdered near Mexicali
MEXICALI.- El robo es la línea de investigación más fuerte sobre el móvil del doble asesinato ocurrido en la mañana del martes en el Rancho El
Peligro.
Abel Galván Gallardo, subprocurador contra la Delincuencia Organizada de la Procuraduría General de Justicia del Estado (PGJE) dijo que el robo parece
ser la línea fuerte en la investigación, pero falta desahogar pruebas sobre este doble crimen.
A las 6:50 horas del martes fueron localizados las dos personas muertas en el poblado Rancho El Peligro.
La pareja formada por un estadounidense y una residente de la zona rural fueron asesinados con un tubo de lámina galvanizada que fue abandonado en la
escena del crimen.
Una vecina de los ahora occisos reportó al teléfono de emergencia 066 el macabro hallazgo, pero nunca manifestó escuchar algo de la agresión a pesar
de vivir frente a la casa móvil de la pareja asesinada.
La mujer tirada en el piso a un lado de una camioneta Cherokee color blanco y al hombre a unos cuantos metros de ella, también por fuera de una casa
móvil.
La hermana de la mujer asesinada identificó los cuerpos, y se trata de Elizabeth Tapia Peña, de 48 años de edad, y Kenneth Lyle Jones, de 65 años de
edad y originario de Yuma, Arizona.
La pareja mantenía una relación sentimental, y los vecinos los describen como personas tranquilas que nunca tuvieron problemas cuando estuvieron
viviendo en este poblado.
“El Gringo”, como conocieron al ahora occiso, fue una persona pensionada pero optó como domicilio el rancho El Peligro, mientras que la mujer tuvo su
domicilio este poblado que se encuentra por la carretera de la Colonia Pólvora y el ejido Nuevo León. Estos dos asesinatos son los primeros
registrados en este año 2012 en este municipio.
http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/22/poli...
Mexicali - Robbery is the strongest line of investigation for the murder that occurred Tuesday morning in Rancho El Peligro (Danger Ranch).
Abel Galván Gallardo, assistant state attorney general against organized crime, said that robbery appears to be the main motive, but they need to
develop more facts about this double crime.
Two dead persons were found at 6:50AM Tuesday in the town of Rancho El Peligro.
The couple, comprised of an American and a resident of the rural area were murdered with a galvanized metal pipe that was left at the scene of the
crime.
A neighbor of the dead couple reported the macabre discovery by telephone on the 066 emergency number, but never indicated hearing any aggression, in
spite of living across from the mobile home of the murdered couple.
The woman was laying on the ground beside a white Cherokee, and the man a few meters from her, also outside of the mobile home.
The sister of the murdered woman identified the bodies, and the victim was Elizabeth Tapia Peña, 48-years old, and Kenneth Lyle Jones, 65-years old
and originally from Yuma, Arizona.
The couple were not married but lived together, and the neighbors described them as peaceful and never having problems when they were living in the
town.
"El Gringo," as the dead man was known, was a retired pensioner but opted to live at El Rancho Peligro, while the woman had her home in this town on
the Colonia Pólvora highway and Ejido Nuevo León. These were the first two murders reported in 2012 for the municipality.
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Another older expat dead,
What a shame,
The price you pay to live in Baja
Seems like the punks all too often target the cotton tops
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Not too different from the retired couple who were found dead in their residence the other day in Mount Pleasant, Utah. They were robbed and killed
by a couple of local druggies--good Utah white kids. The assailants were arrested in Nevada after they carjacked and attempted to kill another woman
in Wendover, Nev.
The price you pay for living in Utah.
Six cops were also shot yesterday in Ogden, Ut. One of them died.
Crime is not just in Mexico.
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Heck, everybody knows only crazy risk takers go to Utah!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajarich
Not too different from the retired couple who were found dead in their residence the other day in Mount Pleasant, Utah. Crime is not just in Mexico.
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Yep, you are absolutely correct. But the real issue is "how MUCH crime" happens. Let me give you a short example of probability.
There are only two airlines that serve your city. One airline has a fatal accident rate, based upon miles flown, that is 16 times greater than the
other airline. You can freely choose to fly on either airline. Which one would you choose? Would you choose the airline that has 16 times the fatality
rate of the other based upon the premise that "accidents happen anywhere? "
If you used your common sense and chose the airline with the much lower fatal accident rate, you have made a statistical decision about which airline
is safer.
For your information, the murder rate in Baja California now is 22 per 100,000 people. The murder rate in Utah is 1.4 per 100,000 people. So Baja has
16 times the murder rate as Utah. Are you prepared to conclude that Baja is just as safe as Utah?
Links to source data on homicide rates:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.p...
http://www.cidac.org/esp/uploads/1/CIFRAS.pdf
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When I was traveling in Colombia, an American was killed for his laptop computer a few days prior to my landing in Barranquilla.
What year? 2009
What month? February
What barrio? The Canadian telling me about the crime didn't know. So, this information I was told was incomplete as far as I was concerned.
Moral of the story? Make sure your friends have got your back!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajarich
Not too different from the retired couple who were found dead in their residence the other day in Mount Pleasant, Utah. They were robbed and killed
by a couple of local druggies--good Utah white kids. The assailants were arrested in Nevada after they carjacked and attempted to kill another woman
in Wendover, Nev.
The price you pay for living in Utah.
Six cops were also shot yesterday in Ogden, Ut. One of them died.
Crime is not just in Mexico. |
Crime is not just in Mexico, but justice does not exist here in Mexico either. THAT is the difference.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajarich
Not too different from the retired couple who were found dead in their residence the other day in Mount Pleasant, Utah. Crime is not just in Mexico.
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Yep, you are absolutely correct. But the real issue is "how MUCH crime" happens. Let me give you a short example of probability.
There are only two airlines that serve your city. One airline has a fatal accident rate, based upon miles flown, that is 16 times greater than the
other airline. You can freely choose to fly on either airline. Which one would you choose? Would you choose the airline that has 16 times the fatality
rate of the other based upon the premise that "accidents happen anywhere? "
If you used your common sense and chose the airline with the much lower fatal accident rate, you have made a statistical decision about which airline
is safer.
For your information, the murder rate in Baja California now is 22 per 100,000 people. The murder rate in Utah is 1.4 per 100,000 people. So Baja has
16 times the murder rate as Utah. Are you prepared to conclude that Baja is just as safe as Utah?
Links to source data on homicide rates:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.p...
http://www.cidac.org/esp/uploads/1/CIFRAS.pdf |
You should know better than to confuse people more than they are already with statistics.
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Mengano wrote: For your information, the murder rate in Baja California now is 22 per 100,000 people. The murder rate in Utah is 1.4 per
100,000 people. So Baja has 16 times the murder rate as Utah. Are you prepared to conclude that Baja is just as safe as Utah?
I would conclude that Baja is very safe for the other 99,978 residents in Baja who weren't murdered in Baja.
If you were to throw out the number of Baja citizens that weren't also involved in illegal drug activity with the Mexican drug cartels then that
murder rate of 22 per 100,000 number would also drop substantially for the rest of the Baja citizens.
Raw numbers only provides a bare snapshot of what's going on in a large region in a state. There are no facts surrounding the murders or the
neighborhoods where these murders took place.
Crime rates can also be misleading when working with such small numbers. For example I often see headlines say "Crimes triple in Gotham" in 2009! Then
you find out there were only 3 crimes reported in Gotham in 2009, but in 2010 you find out only 9 crimes were reported.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Mengano wrote: For your information, the murder rate in Baja California now is 22 per 100,000 people. The murder rate in Utah is 1.4 per
100,000 people. So Baja has 16 times the murder rate as Utah. Are you prepared to conclude that Baja is just as safe as Utah?
I would conclude that Baja is very safe for the other 99,978 residents in Baja who weren't murdered in Baja. |
Joe sure has a way with numbers.
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Is San Diego getting too dangerous?
Four dead in a condominium near San Diego after a night at a night club. Looks like some kind of jealous rage after a night of partying at a night
club with these Navy pilots and the sister. Looks to me like some unlikely guy scored with the sister and one of the Navy pilots took exception to
it.( we don't know all the details yet.)
What's this going to do with the murder rate of San Diego? I don't know who else was killed in San Diego this year, but at the very least this will
bring the murder rate of San Diego up at least 4 per 100,000 or four times more dangerous than Utah where the murder rate was only 1.4 per 100,000.(
yeah it's fuzzy math, but so what? When others blindly use raw numbers without factoring in any other considerations. Then it becomes fuzzy math too.)
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Police: Navy pilot killed fellow aviator and his sister, another man on New Year's Day
SAN DIEGO -- A New Year's Day shooting that left four people dead at a condominium near San Diego was a murder-suicide involving a 25-year-old Navy
pilot who killed himself, officials said Wednesday.
John Robert Reeves shot himself in the head, and the three others with him were murdered, the San Diego County Sheriff's Department said, citing
autopsy results.
Fellow Navy pilot David Reis, also 25, was killed by a gunshot wound to the torso, and his 24-year-old sister, Karen, suffered a gunshot wound to the
head and chest, officials said. Matthew Saturley, 31, of Chula Vista was shot multiple times.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/03/2572298/2-navy-pilots-...
[Edited on 1-6-2012 by JoeJustJoe]
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There were 103 murders in Mexicali (population 936,826) for 2010, giving a murder rate of 11 per 100,000. Source: http://bit.ly/zNz0lH
The average murder rate in the 74 US cities with more than 250,000 population was 10.8 in 2010 (derived from the Wikipedia table below), so Mexicali
was about a "typical US large city" for the 2010 murder rate. A lower murder rate than dangerous places like Buffalo and Cincinnati (and a fraction
of the rate in New Orleans, St Louis, Baltimore etc).
Mexicali would appear 1/3 of the way down this table, when sorted by murder rate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_r...
So, not great, not super-safe, but fairly average.
Unfortunately the Mexicali murder rate has gone up in 2011, 130 murders to the end of November, likely 142 by the end of the year, giving a rate of
15/100,000 (source: http://bit.ly/zNz0lH again). Still less than Buffalo and Cincinnati, and many other US cities.
Rob
[Edited on 2012-1-6 by Riom]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
MEXICALI.- El robo es la línea de investigación más fuerte sobre el móvil del doble asesinato ocurrido en la mañana del martes en el Rancho El
Peligro.
Abel Galván Gallardo, subprocurador contra la Delincuencia Organizada de la Procuraduría General de Justicia del Estado (PGJE) dijo que el robo parece
ser la línea fuerte en la investigación, pero falta desahogar pruebas sobre este doble crimen.
A las 6:50 horas del martes fueron localizados las dos personas muertas en el poblado Rancho El Peligro.
La pareja formada por un estadounidense y una residente de la zona rural fueron asesinados con un tubo de lámina galvanizada que fue abandonado en la
escena del crimen.
Una vecina de los ahora occisos reportó al teléfono de emergencia 066 el macabro hallazgo, pero nunca manifestó escuchar algo de la agresión a pesar
de vivir frente a la casa móvil de la pareja asesinada.
La mujer tirada en el piso a un lado de una camioneta Cherokee color blanco y al hombre a unos cuantos metros de ella, también por fuera de una casa
móvil.
La hermana de la mujer asesinada identificó los cuerpos, y se trata de Elizabeth Tapia Peña, de 48 años de edad, y Kenneth Lyle Jones, de 65 años de
edad y originario de Yuma, Arizona.
La pareja mantenía una relación sentimental, y los vecinos los describen como personas tranquilas que nunca tuvieron problemas cuando estuvieron
viviendo en este poblado.
“El Gringo”, como conocieron al ahora occiso, fue una persona pensionada pero optó como domicilio el rancho El Peligro, mientras que la mujer tuvo su
domicilio este poblado que se encuentra por la carretera de la Colonia Pólvora y el ejido Nuevo León. Estos dos asesinatos son los primeros
registrados en este año 2012 en este municipio.
http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/22/poli...
Mexicali - Robbery is the strongest line of investigation for the murder that occurred Tuesday morning in Rancho El Peligro (Danger Ranch).
Abel Galván Gallardo, assistant state attorney general against organized crime, said that robbery appears to be the main motive, but they need to
develop more facts about this double crime.
Two dead persons were found at 6:50AM Tuesday in the town of Rancho El Peligro.
The couple, comprised of an American and a resident of the rural area were murdered with a galvanized metal pipe that was left at the scene of the
crime.
A neighbor of the dead couple reported the macabre discovery by telephone on the 066 emergency number, but never indicated hearing any aggression, in
spite of living across from the mobile home of the murdered couple.
The woman was laying on the ground beside a white Cherokee, and the man a few meters from her, also outside of the mobile home.
The sister of the murdered woman identified the bodies, and the victim was Elizabeth Tapia Peña, 48-years old, and Kenneth Lyle Jones, 65-years old
and originally from Yuma, Arizona.
The couple were not married but lived together, and the neighbors described them as peaceful and never having problems when they were living in the
town.
"El Gringo," as the dead man was known, was a retired pensioner but opted to live at El Rancho Peligro, while the woman had her home in this town on
the Colonia Pólvora highway and Ejido Nuevo León. These were the first two murders reported in 2012 for the municipality. |
A 65 year old American male and a 48 year old Mexican female beaten to death with a galvanized pipe.......
OK, so what's the rest of the story?????.......
targeted?????.....random?????......burglary or theft??????....drugs???????
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let's not confuse bajarich with the loving richbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Riom
There were 103 murders in Mexicali (population 936,826) for 2010, giving a murder rate of 11 per 100,000. Source: http://bit.ly/zNz0lH
The average murder rate in the 74 US cities with more than 250,000 population was 10.8 in 2010 (derived from the Wikipedia table below), so Mexicali
was about a "typical US large city" for the 2010 murder rate. |
Mexicali also had a lower murder rate for the typical city in Baja. Your very same reference says Rosarito had 33 murders in 2010 with a population of
65,228, which produces a homicide rate of 50.6; Ensenada had 40 murders which is a homicide rate of 14.3, and Tijuana had 688 murders which is a
homicide rate of 38.6.
So all the municipalities in Baja, when averaged like you just did for the US, are 3-4 times higher than the US cities.
And there is a well-known reason why Mexicali is lower than average. Currently there is no battle for "derecho de plaza" there, and that could change
at any time.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
Mexicali also had a lower murder rate for the typical city in Baja. |
Yes, that's the point. We're discussing a murder in (or near) Mexicali, not in the more dangerous parts of Baja California. A Baja California wide
average as quoted earlier is misleading (well, wrong actually) when applied to Mexicali.
Mexicali falls about one-third the way down a table of large US city murder rates. Would be nice to be lower, but for a city of it's size it's fairly
typical.
Yes, there is a truce, but the same could be said for many cities (in many countries, e.g. bikers and triads in Vancouver). For this and other
reasons, the end result is Mexicali does not have an unusually high (or low) murder rate compared to similar sized places in the US.
Comparing with similar places is the important bit, no point in comparing the whole of Baja California with (for example) North Las Vegas, or
Quartzsite. There's a good example of this in: Mexico: Safer than Canada
Rob
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baja & stats
Hola,Me,,I'll take baja,,thank you very much,,,,the only problem I've had down here,,were foolish,drunk,gringo's..noticebly near mulege and cabo !!
my 1 centovo.....K&T
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajarich
Not too different from the retired couple who were found dead in their residence the other day in Mount Pleasant, Utah. They were robbed and killed
by a couple of local druggies--good Utah white kids. The assailants were arrested in Nevada after they carjacked and attempted to kill another woman
in Wendover, Nev.
The price you pay for living in Utah.
Six cops were also shot yesterday in Ogden, Ut. One of them died.
Crime is not just in Mexico. |
But in the US the perps were caught, in Mexico only 2% of murders are solved, that according to an online piece by Aljezzera. And in the US you have a
fighting chance, with guns.
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What I guess I don't understand is what the objection to the crime reports is.
The crimes happen. Would you rather NOT know about them? Not me
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I suspect it's more to the messenger. Or his (her?) hidden agenda. |
The agenda is not hidden. It is right out there in the open for all to see.
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