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San Diego-based sport boat booted out of Mexico
A San Diego-based sport boat along with several private boaters were booted out of Mexican waters Saturday shortly after noon and just one week into
Mexico’s new, highly disputed visa requirement for sport anglers who fish within 24 miles of Mexico’s coastline.
The problem is Capt. Mike Schmidt’s 43 anglers aboard his sport boat, the Malihini, out of H&M Landing, had their proper Mexican visas and fishing
permits, but the boat was kicked out of the Middle Grounds of the Coronado Islands and told to return to U.S. waters.
Schmidt said the captain of the Mexican navy boat that stopped him didn’t ask for visas, but instead demanded to see the Malihini’s boat permit. Such
a document does not exist, according to Michelle Gandola, an official with the Sportfishing Association of California, and has not existed since 2008.
Tony Estrada, an assistant in Mexico’s U.S.-based fisheries office, confirmed that such a boat permit no longer is required.
Schmidt lost more than $5,000 on the trip because he had to refund or give re-ride tickets to the anglers. Schmidt and many sport boats are
discontinuing trips into Mexico until the issue of the boat permit and the visas is addressed and settled. He suffered further humiliation when the
patrol boat captain made him get on his boat’s intercom and announce to his passengers that it was his fault, not Mexico’s, that he lacked the proper
documents to fish in Mexico.
There were no answers from Mexico as to why Schmidt was detained and then kicked out of Mexican waters.
“It was a mistake for the patrol boat captain to ask for document that no longer exists,” Estrada said.
Meantime, Hugh Kramer, owner and president of Discover Baja, a San Diego-based company that specializes in travel to Mexico, disputes the claims by
the Sportfishing Association of California and a new company, Mex Tour Assistance, that “maritime visas” are required by fishermen in Mexico.
“There is no such thing as a ‘maritime visa,’” Kramer said. “I spent six hours on the phone with Mexican immigration officials and Mexico tourism
officials in recent days, and the only visa required is the FFM, which is a multi-day visa good for 180 days. It’s for multiple entries, and it’s good
for 180 days. Right now that costs about $34, depending on the value of the peso. They have to get it stamped with an entry date, and then it’s good
for 180 days. Fishermen don’t have to buy these visas from Mex Tour Assist.”
Ken Franke, president of the Sportfishing Association of California, said questions are swirling right now, not just about the visas, but also the
boat permit that the Mexican patrol boat demanded from Schmidt on the Malihini. Franke said a meeting will be held Friday with Mexican representatives
from fisheries, immigration and tourism. He’s hoping to get some definitive answers there.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jan/09/mexican-officials...
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Looks like we've been embargoed. Makes me wonder when we're going to embargo all those commercial Pangas out of Popotla every night.
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I don't get it. Why don't these boats just stay beyond the 12-mile international limit?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Looks like we've been embargoed. Makes me wonder when we're going to embargo all those commercial Pangas out of Popotla every night.
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dont mention the Popotal Express, looks like that may quickly become OUR only escape route.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I don't get it. Why don't these boats just stay beyond the 12-mile international limit? |
They're fishing
structure oriented fish, 12 miles out the water is just too deep, thousands of feet deep. they need to fish shallower than 300'. The 12 mile deal is
ok in the summer when fishing pelagic species like tuna that roam the open ocean.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I don't get it. Why don't these boats just stay beyond the 12-mile international limit? |
Technically, Mexico has control extending 200 miles from shore. They have the right to kick out any boat in that water. The made-up infraction used
to justify it, while annoying, is certainly not without precedent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters#Exclusive_ec...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BillP
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I don't get it. Why don't these boats just stay beyond the 12-mile international limit? |
They're fishing
structure oriented fish, 12 miles out the water is just too deep, thousands of feet deep. they need to fish shallower than 300'. The 12 mile deal is
ok in the summer when fishing pelagic species like tuna that roam the open ocean. |
Ok, I get it. Thanks.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I don't get it. Why don't these boats just stay beyond the 12-mile international limit? |
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Mexico’s new, highly disputed visa requirement for sport anglers who fish within 24 miles of Mexico’s coastline |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spearo
Technically, Mexico has control extending 200 miles from shore. They have the right to kick out any boat in that water. The made-up infraction used
to justify it, while annoying, is certainly not without precedent. |
No, not true. Mexico sold those fisherman a Mexican fishing license and issued them a Mexican visa to be in their waters. Mexico gave up its rights to
kick them out when it accepted money for a license and a visa. As indicated in the story, there is no longer a boat permit requirement by Mexico.
Those fisherman have a legitimate monetary claim against Mexico. Not that it would ever do them any good to make such a claim. That Mexican navy
captain should be relieved of command and demoted, but that will not happen either.
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If you read the first sentence, it is 24 miles out!!!
"When you catch a fish, you open the door of happiness."
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Damn shame!
Im guessing the Ensenada Sportfishing people are part of the equation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by Spearo
Technically, Mexico has control extending 200 miles from shore. They have the right to kick out any boat in that water. The made-up infraction used
to justify it, while annoying, is certainly not without precedent. |
No, not true. Mexico sold those fisherman a Mexican fishing license and issued them a Mexican visa to be in their waters. Mexico gave up its rights to
kick them out when it accepted money for a license and a visa. As indicated in the story, there is no longer a boat permit requirement by Mexico.
Those fisherman have a legitimate monetary claim against Mexico. Not that it would ever do them any good to make such a claim. That Mexican navy
captain should be relieved of command and demoted, but that will not happen either. |
I am not saying the charter boat was not following proper procedure. I am saying that the Mexican government has the right to kick anyone out of
their territorial waters which extend 200 miles from shore for reasons real or imaginary. Just because you have a drivers license doesn't mean you
can't be given a ticket you don't deserve.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spearo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by Spearo
Technically, Mexico has control extending 200 miles from shore. They have the right to kick out any boat in that water. The made-up infraction used
to justify it, while annoying, is certainly not without precedent. |
No, not true. Mexico sold those fisherman a Mexican fishing license and issued them a Mexican visa to be in their waters. Mexico gave up its rights to
kick them out when it accepted money for a license and a visa. As indicated in the story, there is no longer a boat permit requirement by Mexico.
Those fisherman have a legitimate monetary claim against Mexico. Not that it would ever do them any good to make such a claim. That Mexican navy
captain should be relieved of command and demoted, but that will not happen either. |
I am not saying the charter boat was not following proper procedure. I am saying that the Mexican government has the right to kick anyone out of
their territorial waters which extend 200 miles from shore for reasons real or imaginary. Just because you have a drivers license doesn't mean you
can't be given a ticket you don't deserve. |
It is a rather stupid thing to do considering how hard Baja is trying to promote and attract tourists.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It is a rather stupid thing to do considering how hard Baja is trying to promote and attract tourists. |
Goes to show you how independent the military in Mexico still is from the rest of the country. They couldn't care less about tourism and are more
concerned with flexing their new-found muscles to the world.
From the Revolution til the Cartel insurgency, they didn't have a thing to do in Mexico except protect the President. Now they're a bunch of bad-asses
with new toys.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
“It was a mistake for the patrol boat captain to ask for document that no longer exists,” Estrada said.
. Right now that costs about $34, depending on the value of the peso. They have to get it stamped with an entry date, and then it’s good for 180 days.
Fishermen don’t have to buy these visas from Mex Tour Assist.”
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Mex Imm is probably unaware that a 180 day fmm costs
approx $21 not $34, the Mex Navy made a mistake yes , but
as quoted Mex has the RIGHT to deny fishing privleges,
I'm curious as to who runs this Mex Tour Assist, Gringo?
The only thing he is assisting in, is taking $ from
US Fishermen in a deceptive manner, wonder if Mex IMM
is even aware of the deception
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
I'm curious as to who runs this Mex Tour Assist, Gringo?
The only thing he is assisting in, is taking $ from
US Fishermen in a deceptive manner, wonder if Mex IMM
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I'm not sure of his function, but Mexico Inm. is surrounded by independent agents doing their work for them, and they arn't cheap. Not mine, anyway.
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US boat / Mexican revenue?
How many tourism dollars do boats out of San Diego really bring to Mexico? I would assume Mexico would be much better off if the fishermen took boats
that were docked in Baja and crewed by Mexicans.
I doubt that Mexico really has much of a loss of tourism because of this enforcement.
Would the US allow Mexican boats to fish 8 miles off of the coast of California?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spearo
I am not saying the charter boat was not following proper procedure. I am saying that the Mexican government has the right to kick anyone out of
their territorial waters ... |
You seem to be missing the point. The point is the Mexican government took a fishing license fee and a visa fee from those fishermen so they would be
allowed to fish in Mexican waters. You cannot charge and collect a fee for a privilege from someone and then deny them the privilege that was paid
for. Not under US, Mexican or International law.
And if you believe that Mexico has the right to kick anyone out of their territorial waters, then they also have the right to expropriate all real
estate owned in Mexico by foreigners without compensation...anytime they want.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by akshadow
Would the US allow Mexican boats to fish 8 miles off of the coast of California? |
Sure would. You are confusing commercial fishing with sportfishing. Those Americans were sport fishing, not commercial fishing. Any Mexican can
purchase a California non-resident sportfishing license and fish 8 miles off shore. He can also fish from shore and in freshwater.
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