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Vince
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TURTLE HARVEST, 1965
The locals took turtles to survive on in the early days. Here is Manuel Diaz in the early '60's in Conception Bay. In the '50's we used to see
gigantic trucks on their way to Tijuana, full of turtles. Manuel would keep a few tied up on the beach, in the water until he needed them. 
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Ateo
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I'm taking a lot of chit for my baby lobster picture and you seem to be doing just fine with your turtle shot. What gives?
Just kidding. 
Thanks for the photo and tidbit of history.
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woody with a view
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that's why there are very few turtles left. give it another 45 years and a lobster will cost $250 at Pnuevo, if they can get them.
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Floatflyer
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What is the point of this? Slaughtering turtles to survive? What is next, making heros out of those that virtually eliminated bison or killing off
fisheries for dog food? 
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Vince
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It's just history. Deal with it. He took only what they needed to survive. The trucks were the commercial people that thinned out the turtles.
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Floatflyer
What is the point of this? Slaughtering turtles to survive? What is next, making heros out of those that virtually eliminated bison or killing off
fisheries for dog food? |
Hey, maybe if we never mention Buffalo Bill's name ever again, the history books can be re-written so that period of history never happened.
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MMc
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Taking turtles to survive? They just were easier then anything else. I can still go live off the ocean most places and never kill a turtle. They were
slower and easy, hence on the table as dinner.
When the clams are severed as dinner it's because I am having pasta with them not because it's the best I can do. Killing a large beast and not being
able to harvest and store it is wrong. Eat a couple of trigger fish or a sandy.
MMc
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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Russ
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Some how I remember my first time to Tortuga, 1968, and there were mountainS of turtle shells on the beach. I also remember that turtle lotion was in
great demand north of the boarder then.
[Edited on 1-23-2012 by Russ]
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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Osprey
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Not to worry. Skeet will tell you there are still plenty of turtles out there. Here's some I sold for aquariums last year.
Naw, just kidding. This is part of the 13,000 saved and released on our beach last year -- dug up, put in a secure nursery then released 600 at a time
when the birds were sound asleep and no bait around to eat em as they swam away from the beach.
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Pompano
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Vince, your historical photos of Coyote Bay are priceless. I'm glad you went to all the work to find and downsize them. Keep it up, amigo.I know you
have many more.
I personally know of the love and care, that you, and your brother Pat, have for the environment and wanted to convey that here to educate a few who
would wrongly 'shoot the messenger'.
Pre-development Baja (before the highway) was a far different time. All l Nomads would have marveled at this magical place.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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DianaT
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I really enjoy seeing the historical photos---thank you very much and for posting them and you are very fortunate to have them.
Protecting the turtles today is a good thing and I hope many of those babies run quickly and live a long life.
History is not always pretty and if anyone ever pays attention, they can learn from it.
THANKS and keep the photos coming!
Diana
[Edited on 1-23-2012 by DianaT]
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wessongroup
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Sure glad some folks took the extra time to snap a pic.... great stuff.. time travel..
Thanks for sharing ... love the old ones... too
Brings back some nice thoughts of many moons ago... 
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SFandH
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Looks like the harvesting is still happening. It's stated in the following study that 5 BCS poachers interviewed recently ARE taking over 6400 turtles
per year, just 5 guys. See the Results section on page 5.
Interesting study. Another tidbit is two poachers were interviewed that stopped because they felt sympathy for the animals.
Good men!
Warning! Vegan pitch ahead - Folks, stop killing/eating animals. You'll be glad you stopped. The behavior will catch on.
http://gerberlab.faculty.asu.edu/wordpress/wp-content/upload...
[Edited on 1-23-2012 by SFandH]
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watizname
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We're all to blame for the decreasing resources. When I was in gradeschool [a long long time ago] I remember a teacher telling us that the good old
US of A had such a great abundance of natural resources that we would NEVER run out. Also if I remember correctly, in 1965 the limit of Trout in the
Sierras was still about 15 per day, and if your went deep sea fishing, you could put 30 hooks on, fish in 150 feet of water and keep all the fish you
could carry off the boat. Guys had 12inch extensions on their reels to increase the leverage so they could wind up 40 or 50 lbs of fish or more at a
time. I seriously doubt if the fish and turtles taken by the Mexican fishermen went to waste, as intimated by MMC. I think the local families just
ate a little better for a few days. It was also stated that Manuel kept a few tied up for when he needed them. Sort of like range fed cattle huh?
We can't fault the old ways, we can just hope we learn from them before it's too late.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by watizname
We're all to blame for the decreasing resources. When I was in gradeschool [a long long time ago] I remember a teacher telling us that the good old
US of A had such a great abundance of natural resources that we would NEVER run out. Also if I remember correctly, in 1965 the limit of Trout in the
Sierras was still about 15 per day, and if your went deep sea fishing, you could put 30 hooks on, fish in 150 feet of water and keep all the fish you
could carry off the boat. Guys had 12inch extensions on their reels to increase the leverage so they could wind up 40 or 50 lbs of fish or more at a
time. I seriously doubt if the fish and turtles taken by the Mexican fishermen went to waste, as intimated by MMC. I think the local families just
ate a little better for a few days. It was also stated that Manuel kept a few tied up for when he needed them. Sort of like range fed cattle huh?
We can't fault the old ways, we can just hope we learn from them before it's too late. |
Very well said!!!!!!
Barry
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Pompano
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Indeed! Bravo, watizname.
[Edited on 1-23-2012 by Pompano]
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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It hasn't stopped just yet,its a generation thing.my daughters enjoying a invite from the late PaPa Fernandez for turtle tacos.
I was lucky enough to go with PaPa and his son on several turtle hunts. note the shell on the table.
Anyone can catch fish in a boat but only \"El Pescador Grande\" can get them from the beach.
I hope when my time comes the old man will let me bring my rod and the water will be warm and clear.
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Vince
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These old photos really get us thinking about conservation, maybe I can find some more...........
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David K
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Papa Fernandez 1994
Papa Fernandez and Baja Nomad 'Desert Rat' in 1994:
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desertcpl
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Turtles BOLA
Brings back memories about my fishing trip to BOLA
it was about 1975 or close to it
me and a friend was fishing the bay in my Panga, it was in Aug, ( yea hot )
we was staying at Villa Vitta Motel, had a great restaurant and big swimming pool
each day after fishing we would come back and take some fish to the cook for him to cook for dinner, each dinner was served with a platter of Turtle
steaks, fresh home made tortillas, refried beans, cervezas
the Turtle steaks was to die for, we ate so much we could hardly walk back to our room,, it was so good, even the way they made the fish
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