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SFandH
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Bringing an outboard motor into Mexico
I keep a boat stored in Ensenada and I'm buying a used 40hp motor in the states. I'll be taking the motor to Mexico in the back of my truck. I can't
bring the boat into the states and mount the motor there because the trailer doesn't have plates.
Assuming I get the red light at the San Ysidro crossing, what are the Mexican officials going to say?
I know it's tough to predict what's going to happen because it always varies with Mex officals, so I don't need any replies along those lines.
I'll have a receipt, it's an obviously used motor, and the truth is the motor will not be returned to the US. I prefer to not to try to deceive.
Import taxes??
[Edited on 6-19-2012 by SFandH]
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they looked at my boat vin and trailer plate. when they were happy they looked in the bed and hey, there's a motor in there!
they didn't care about the motor. don't worry about it.
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They might charge you some taxes but used stuff is generally not a problem. Just give them a conservative value and see what happens. I would probably
just go directly to the "Declare" lane and tell them I had a used motor and see what they say, usually they don't seem to care.
Good luck
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
they looked at my boat vin and trailer plate. when they were happy they looked in the bed and hey, there's a motor in there!
they didn't care about the motor. don't worry about it. |
But you had a CA registered boat to go with the motor. I'm thinking that might make a difference.
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I'd bring a "receipt" that values the motor for a value that is, ahem, comfortable to you and yet not a ridiculous low ball. Use it in case they make
a stink...............and pay the import fees.
Just drive through and see what they say.
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10 to 15% import fees, maybe, on the amount shown on the receipt? I'm buying it from a store, not an individual.
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do you want me to write you a receipt? write your own receipt!
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
do you want me to write you a receipt? write your own receipt!
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Thanks but I'll have a receipt and I'm sure I can have the bottom line read what I want.
If you really want to help, and I appreciate the offer, buzz up to San Juan Capistrano, buy the motor, and I'll pay you back, plus gas money, when we
meet up in Ensenada.
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In this day and age, with computers, scanners, photoshop and printers, you can make that store receipt say anything you want it to. Let your concience
be your guide. Just don't try to insult their intelligence to bad.
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Low hours, real clean, 40 hp 97 Yamaha 2 stroke, electric start, remote controls for $2,500.
Good price?
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I would take the boat's paperwork.....AND a picture of the boat showing no motor......just tell them the motor was with the boat, in for repairs.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I would take the boat's paperwork.....AND a picture of the boat showing no motor......just tell them the motor was with the boat, in for repairs.
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Paperwork? What's that? Like I said I don't even have plates on the trailer. This is a Mexican lash up. I did add some trailer tail lights tho.
BTW, I've had a bunch of cops behind me while hauling the boat around baja and have gone thru a zillion checkpoints. No plates? No numbers on the
boat? No problem!!
A photo of the boat is a good idea.
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:-)
I was talking about putting that motor in your truck........then have the paperwork (just to show you own a boat) and the picture of the boat.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I would take the boat's paperwork.....AND a picture of the boat showing no motor......just tell them the motor was with the boat, in for repairs.
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Paperwork? What's that? Like I said I don't even have plates on the trailer. This is a Mexican lash up. I did add some trailer tail lights tho.
BTW, I've had a bunch of cops behind me while hauling the boat around baja and have gone thru a zillion checkpoints. No plates? No numbers on the
boat? No problem!!
A photo of the boat is a good idea.
[Edited on 6-19-2012 by SFandH] |
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
do you want me to write you a receipt? write your own receipt!
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Thanks but I'll have a receipt and I'm sure I can have the bottom line read what I want.
If you really want to help, and I appreciate the offer, buzz up to San Juan Capistrano, buy the motor, and I'll pay you back, plus gas money, when we
meet up in Ensenada. |
you got it! paypal me the money. i'm off thur/fri so that will work. u2u for details.
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You can run into a real stinkeroo with aduana, and I say this from personal experience. The issue (meaning solitary) is items manufactured in Japan or
China are subject to STIFF import duty. Aduana will be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are bringing the motor into Mexico to sell. I
have seen a 10-year old Yamaha 50 hp outboard taxed the eqvt of four hundred US Dollars, after a long, drawn-out hassle.
Picture of a boat? Think about it...you can stand next to any boat and have your picture taken. The aduanero is going to laugh.
Try talking to the capitan de puerto in Ensenada, and see if arrangements can be made for a fee for the office to go through "the trouble of" creating
a document for you, in español that explains you have a small boat, with complete description of the boat including color, that does not have a motor.
I would ask to talk to the jefe in aduana, before I went north to get the motor. Doing this seems to change the whole aspect of trying to get
something done like what you are trying to do.
"Smuggling Outboard Motors" into Mexico is big business, and the aduaneros are mighty uptight about the subject. When the boat is there with the motor
it is a whole different atmosphere.
California DMV will issue you a Temporary permit to bring your boat north. Get a set of magnetic tow lights at Harbor Freight, cheap.
I don't like being rejected at the border. It is a royal pain-in-the-ass.
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........because the trailer doesn't have plates.
I think he just wants to avoid the DMV...............and simple bring the motor over.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Aduana will be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are bringing the motor into Mexico to sell. |
Well that's the issue. But people bring all sorts of used stuff into Mexico without problems. And upon further consideration, if having it attached to
a boat gets you around the issue, then folks looking to import and sell outboards would simply attach them to a trailered boat.
Naw. I'm going to hope for a green light and if it's red, take it from there.
Thanks for the response.
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Al' Right:
There's two ways to do this. By the book or just wing it.
By the book: Drive into the "Declare" lane, declare the motor, state that it is for personal use, pay the import duty, and you are on your way.
However, the maximum value of ALL goods being imported at one time, in one vehicle, under the simplified import rules is $1,500 per person and $3,000
per vehicle. Over this value, you have to use a customs broker. So, make a receipt for something a little less than $1,500. The import tax is 17%
of the declared value. Done deal. Have done it many times with many loads.
Wing It: Drive up to the light in one of the "Nothing to Declare" lanes, punch the light, and hope for a green!
However, not declaring something and trying to slip it through the "Non Declare" lane is technically called smuggling. The penalty for smuggling can
include fines and confiscation of the items AND the vehicle used to transport them!
Your choice. Good Luck 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
Al' Right:
There's two ways to do this. By the book or just wing it.
By the book: Drive into the "Declare" lane, declare the motor, state that it is for personal use, pay the import duty, and you are on your way.
However, the maximum value of ALL goods being imported at one time, in one vehicle, under the simplified import rules is $1,500 per person and $3,000
per vehicle. Over this value, you have to use a customs broker. So, make a receipt for something a little less than $1,500. The import tax is 17%
of the declared value. Done deal. Have done it many times with many loads.
Wing It: Drive up to the light in one of the "Nothing to Declare" lanes, punch the light, and hope for a green!
However, not declaring something and trying to slip it through the "Non Declare" lane is technically called smuggling. The penalty for smuggling can
include fines and confiscation of the items AND the vehicle used to transport them!
Your choice. Good Luck |
Now we're talking. That's the info I'm looking for. Thank you.
I'll have a receipt for $1400 and go through the declare lane.
Thanks again.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
Al' Right:
There's two ways to do this. By the book or just wing it.
By the book: Drive into the "Declare" lane, declare the motor, state that it is for personal use, pay the import duty, and you are on your way.
However, the maximum value of ALL goods being imported at one time, in one vehicle, under the simplified import rules is $1,500 per person and $3,000
per vehicle. Over this value, you have to use a customs broker. So, make a receipt for something a little less than $1,500. The import tax is 17%
of the declared value. Done deal. Have done it many times with many loads.
Wing It: Drive up to the light in one of the "Nothing to Declare" lanes, punch the light, and hope for a green!
However, not declaring something and trying to slip it through the "Non Declare" lane is technically called smuggling. The penalty for smuggling can
include fines and confiscation of the items AND the vehicle used to transport them!
Your choice. Good Luck |
Now we're talking. That's the info I'm looking for. Thank you.
I'll have a receipt for $1400 and go through the declare lane.
Thanks again. |
You need to pay the import duty with pesos. No dollars accepted.
This changed about two years ago. The bank is conveniently located right near Aduana at all the crossings; San Ysidro, Otay, and Tecate. Just don't
try to cross really, really early or really late. The bank's hours are shorter than the longer hours that the borders are open. (Same goes for
FMM's)
Have imported stuff at all three crossings, maybe 12 times total. No problems or hassles, ever. I have to believe that if "You don't screw with
them, they won't screw with you ...." (I know other Nomads may disagree with this statement, but, that's been my experience.)
I haven't used San Ysidro in two years. Have gone to Otay or Tecate. Have heard through the grapevine that sometimes the Aduana at SY will send you
to Otay but haven't experienced this personally.
Once again - Good Luck.
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