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Bad news checkpoint south of EL Rosario
Firday I was headed north from Loreto with Ann O'Neil (84 years old, 30 year BCS resident, author of the History of Loreto) when we were pulled over
at a Federale check point south of El Rosario. Two men in desert-camo (and not the drab green of all the others at the checkpoint) came at us with
ATTITUDES! One waved a tarantula on a stick in our open windor (poor tarantula) to intimidate us. My 13-year-old Australian Shepard went nuts,
barking, at which point these two men began screaming at us "GET OUT, GET OUT!!" I told Ann to stay put, while I leashed the dog and got out from
beind the wheel. These guys were obviously on SOMETHING! The one on my side then said in no uncertain terms he was going to slit my dog's throat. He
then demanded I open the back of the truck camper and he proceeded to rip apart my very well-equipped 4-drawer first-aid cabinet. Nothing else. In the
meantime, Ann politely explained to the other guy if he wanted her out, he would have to lift her, since she was 84. In our collective 50 years of
living in Baja California Sur, never have either of us been so assaulted! We were glad when they turned their attention to the next vehicle as we got
our of there as fast as we could. These guys could easily kill someone! They werre on some other planet! Kirk Connally
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Mexitron
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We were just thru there about ten days ago with no problem...wonder if Bajacactus knows the upshot?
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FrankO
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We rolled thru that same checkpoint about 3 in the morning southbound one time and the guys gave us super heebie jeebies. They were listening to M&M
and seemed to me that they were tweaking. Not that I'd know anything about that being in the fire svc. for almost 20 years. Kids and guns.
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That's ironic if true.....and worrisome. Wonder if our government, who subsidizes those checkpoints, would be interested.....
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David K
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Do you think they were 'disposing' of some confiscated materials?
In the words of Jeff Spicolli, "Hey dude, let's party"
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Bob and Susan
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I was there friday morning...
All OK ALL Business
no problems....
bob
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They were as nice as could be when we came through before noon several weeks ago. Gave all the guys cold sodas. They kept us there a while though as
there was no traffic and they were probably bored.
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jrbaja
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I've been through their new location
you are referring to on numerous occasions. I have never seen anything like what you are describing unless provoked by an arrogant attitude.
Doesn't seem like you guys would have had one !
Most unusual indeed and should be investigated if they are using drugs as suggested.
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wilderone
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I think that experience should be reported to as many entities as possible - hopefully will curtail any further behavior of that type. Really weird.
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jrbaja
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I recommend for the future
if this happens to anyone else, no matter where or which agency, you get their names and badge numbers if applicable.
Also, time, date, and location are extremely important.
[Edited on 10/19/2004 by jrbaja]
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I would love to know who runs that checkpoint, since only the military and immigration have the authority ( by law) to stop and search vehicles, these
guys are definately not military and if they are out there doing that stuff, need to be reported to the proper authorities.
If anybody has more info, please come forward so we can place a nice complaint with the federal attorney general office.
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jrbaja
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They're military Jesse
They just moved their checkpoint a little further south. And it is becoming more common to see both styles of uniforms at the revisions although in
the south, the grey ones seem to be more popular.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
They just moved their checkpoint a little further south. And it is becoming more common to see both styles of uniforms at the revisions although in
the south, the grey ones seem to be more popular. |
Very well, you can file a complaint directly with the defense secretary:
http://tramilnet.sedena.gob.mx/portal/quejas/quejas01.php
If anybody needs help, let me know.
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David K
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Anybody have that cool article posted by David Eidell (years ago, on Amigos) that descibes all the brances of uniformed people in Mexico, their
uniforms, including what they drive? If I find it, I will post... It was written by Carl of People's Guide fame, I think...?
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At this checkpoint yesterday, my brother did not have the presence of mind to keep his digital camera on him when they "searched" the car and when we
stopped in San Quentin, no camera to be found.... so beware!!!!!
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jrbaja
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Jide
coming from you, it's a little more believable than anonymous postings. This is serious and needs to be stopped.
According to Jesse, something can be done about it and I recommend doing so.
Date, time, make of camera, and any other pertinent info. needs to be disclosed and I'm pretty sure something will be done about it.
Also, check real good in the car again.
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David K
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Visitors Guide to Mexican Police (I found it)
This was sent to me some time ago, originally posted on the Amigos board by David Eidell. The email was originally from Carlos Barragan. Jide, I know
you personally and thus know this theft to be a fact. I will post this guide seperately as well...
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A Visitor's Guide To M?xican Police
Ej?rcito M?xicano (M?xican Army)
The army has been charged with civil protection, fish and game patrols (land and fresh water), conservation and fire fighting duties. Regional
regiments are commanded by One-Star General officers. Subsidiaries of the regiment are called "Batallons" (Battalions). Officers and enlisted men are
stationed a minimum of one thousand miles from their home to avoid collusion and conflicts of interest. Army personnel are usually dressed in
camouflage uniforms. They transport with Mercedes deuce and a half trucks and patrol in American General manufactured Hum Vee vehicles. Belgian FN.
7.62 mm. automatic rifles are the mainstay of the troop armament. Browning .30 caliber M6A1 machine guns are used to arm sandbag reinforced positions
monitoring rural roads in narcotics transport areas. The army cannot prosecute civilians directly. Suspects are remanded to federal or state police
custody for further processing.
Armada M?xicano (M?xican Navy)
Navy duties are similar to those of the army. Naval patrols also assist ships and boats in distress. Fifteen hundred ton Frigates are the mainstays of
the blue water fleet while multiple (outboard) engines open craft patrol shorelines and estuaries. The former is equipped with 3" 50 cal. Naval
cannon, Browning M2A1 .50 cal. machine guns and hand weapons. The later uses Browning .30 caliber air-cooled machine guns. Naval personnel dress in
dark blue uniforms. The Armada is saddled with the responsibility of fish and game enforcement. M?xican land transport vehicles are similar to those
that the army uses except they are light gray in color.
Polic?a Judic?al Federal (PJF)
Thirty one regional command?nte officers each supervise a minimum of six Capit?ns who in turn supervise a minimum of sixty subordinates. A cadre of
"home office" command?nte officers is at the disposal of the Command?nte Primer, who is based in M?xico City. The Command?nte Primer is directly under
the Secret?ria de Gobernacion, an appointed cabinet minister. The Secretaria de Gobernacion is generally regarded as the second most powerful position
in Mexican government (right after the president). The federal police are charged with enforcing M?xico's most serious criminal laws including "Gr?nde
Del?tos Feder?les" which is the same as "Federal Felonies" (murder, drugs, bank robbery).
Federal police officers prefer two modes of dress? all black for operations and similar to prosperous Texas cattle ranchers (cowboy boots and all).
Armament consists of Browning Automatic Rifles, UZI 5.56 mm. machine guns, Ingram MAC 10, 9 mm. machine pistols, and heavily decorated Colt 45 caliber
handguns. Command?nte and Capit?n officers prefer to drive new Chevrolet Suburbans with heavily tinted windows. Rank and file Feder?les sometimes
drive confiscated automobiles without bothering to remove U.S. license plates. Federale task forces cruise the roads in battered station wagons and
pickup trucks.
Official identification consists of a badge and photo Identification card. When flipped open the silver badge will occupy the right flap. The badge is
in the form of a shield with the inscription: POLIC?A FEDERAL. Above the inscription is a nine-digit badge number. The photo ID has the officers mug
in the lower right corner. The officer's name, district, and badge number is printed on the bulk of the card. Shadowed in, in large Arial background
print are the words "POLIC?A LA REP?BLICA". In a working crew of eight police officers only one will have an identification badge and photo ID.
M?xican Secret Service
The official title of appointed field agents is: Sub Deleg?do Federal Para Investigacion Nacion?l y Seguridad de la Rep?blica. Formerly called the
Federal Security Directorate (DFS). Agent's responsibilities include spying on opposition political parties, infiltrating, and counter-subversion of
dissident political factions, and labor union groups. Security officers normal dress is prosperous businessmen's attire. Their armament consists of
weapons similar to those of the Federal Police. Their badge is a shield with the motto "Seguridad Nacion?l". Secret Service agents prefer new Dodge
Cirrus (unmarked) sedans, with a radio antenna on the roof. M?xican secret service agents are at the whim of each 6-year federal administration. Many
manage to stay on from term-to-term. The Secretaria de Gobernacion is the Federal administrative head of field agents.
Polic?a Federal de Caminos y Puentes
Federal Highway Patrol. Tired four-cylinder Dodge Aries and Mustang patrol cars are being replaced with the much more popular full-size Ford
8-cylinder sedans. Patrol cars are black and white, with a red and blue strobe lamp overhead light bar. Uniforms consist of brown pants and a khaki
shirt. Usually armed with a 9-mm automatic.
Polic?a de Hacienda
Treasury cops. Blue and silver Dodge Ram pickups and Dodge Cirrus sedans. Blue and red overhead light bar. Dark blue pants with light blue shirt.
Treasury cops intercept smuggled merchandice and arrest the participants. They are usually found near M?xico's international, borders and shipping
ports. Armed with 9-mm automatics and shotguns.
Polic?a del Est?dal (PJE)
State police officers. Plain-clothed. Armed with every conceivable type of weapon. Envious of the prestige of the more elite PJF. Identification
consists of a photo ID and a star or shield badge depending on the state. State cops love to cruise around in new Dodge Ram pickup trucks occasionally
with six heavily armed officers perched on the bed rails. Armament takes the form of a 9-mm. or .38 caliber sidearm.
Trans?tos
Traffic cops are usually attired in brown garb and they drive regulation patrol automobiles with overhead light bars, and police identification
markings on the door. Their armament consists of a revolver or semi-automatic handgun. Uniforms are usually light brown (Transitos are referred to as
"tamarindos").
Ejid?ros
A ragtag assortment of civilians that are members of an Ejido. Their powers are limited and they are considered little more than an ill-trained and
equipped rural police auxiliary. Transportation is via anything with wheels, usually with a Kojak bubble gum light on the roof. Many Ejideros have
firearms but most cannot afford ammunition.
Note:
It is a serious violation of federal law for a plain-clothed officer to refuse to show proper identification when asked to do so.
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Bruce R Leech
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report it
if this hapens to any body report it Please.
Bruce in Mulege Baja
Bruce R Leech
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JESSE
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I posted the link on the "file a complaint" section on the Mexican Defense secretary website.
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BajaCactus
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El Rosario...
What happened to you guys cannot passed without notice... you must file a complaint so they punished whoever is responsible... and most
importantly.... get those mililary guys out of there...
I will be in El Rosario in the next few days....
I will do my best effort to get the names of the ones in duty when you passed thru there, so you may file a direct complaint....
I will also try to get the name of the commandant in charge during those days.
Please help me giving more info like the exact date, time of day you passed thru, etc., and any other description you believe important.
[Edited on 10-21-2004 by BajaCactus]
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