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2012 Baja 1000
Pre-running will begin Oct 1 from San Felipe to La Paz. The course will not be marked, however a GPS file will be posted on the SCORE web site.
Pre-running from Ojos Negros begins on Oct 26 and the course will be marked.
http://score-international.com/races/1141/45th_TECATE_SCORE_...
Look under the prerun tab.
I assume a map will also be available by Oct 1.
[Edited on 8-9-2012 by TW]
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So, they are running on the new highway to Gonzaga Bay, instead of going down the Seven Sisters to have more dirt and less graded/ paved roads? They
could have been creative and run the Pacific partway, turn in to go through Chapala to Coco's then on to Calamajue and south through L.A. Bay.
There is no choice between Puertecitos and Huerfanito but to use the highway... beyond Huerfanito, any of the older roads parallel to the more inland
highway could be used until they get close to Papa Fernandez', then again no choice.
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Just looked at the link, wow SCORE isn't cheap on entry fees:
PRO FOUR WHEEL CLASSES - $3,520 TOTAL FEES
PRO MOTORCYCLE & ATV CLASSES - $3,020 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN FOUR WHEEL - $2,100 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN MOTORCYCLE & ATV - $1,900 TOTAL FEES
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could this be sal's way of limiting the field?
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And why would Sal want to limit fields???
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
could this be sal's way of limiting the field? |
I have known Sal since the first SCORE race (I was in it)
The Sal I know (and Mickey too) never limited fields cuz the entry fees are what line their coffers.
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well this isn't 1967. just like every other pro racing event score will have to regulate the amount of racers. the cost of this race (and the entry
fee is a small percent) has become so exorbitant that this race is no longer for mister general public, this is an event for the big players.
eventually the purses will grow, not from entry fees but from sponsors and contingency money.
alright lets go racing!
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Well, times are a changing. 1967 was the first NORRA Mexican 1000.
1973, NORRA was booted out and the Mexicans tried to run the the race with their 'Baja Sports Committee' Baja Mil (1000). It was a failure as the
money collected from racers disappeared before the winners arrived in La Paz (but they were given some Samsonite luggage)!
1974, Mickey Thompson with his new SCORE organization was invited to put on a Baja race. SCORE held a race that July called the Baja Internacional
(about 400 miles with a one hour down time at Mike's Sky Rancho). It was a huge success, and SCORE was invited to continue running the races in Baja.
There wasn't enough prep time for the November 1000, so 1974 was the only year without one. In 1975, SCORE held the Baja Internacional in June (now
that the BSC Baja 500 and 1000 were done with) and their first Baja 1000 in November. It was a loop race starting and ending in Ensenada. It took some
time to work out the details with running the race to La Paz, as NORRA claimed to still have a contract with the southern state.
1979 was the first SCORE 1000 to run to La Paz... and I was a co-driver in it that race... what fun. We broke down very early, but it was neat to
experience the event from inside a race car.
After some years, SCORE changed the shorter race's name from 'Baja Internacional' back to the traditional 'Baja 500'. They also added a third race,
the Mexicali 250... in time would change to the San Felipe 250.
[Edited on 8-10-2012 by David K]
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I am still missing your point
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
well this isn't 1967. just like every other pro racing event score will have to regulate the amount of racers. the cost of this race (and the entry
fee is a small percent) has become so exorbitant that this race is no longer for mister general public, this is an event for the big players.
eventually the purses will grow, not from entry fees but from sponsors and contingency money.
alright lets go racing! |
As you point out, the monstrous costs will work to hold down the fields, yes, the entry fee is just a small amount.
We finished second in the pickup class in the 1972 NORRA 1000 on a budget of about $5,000 and that included the cost of the truck. Of course, we did
all the building ourselves.
But, if you think race purses come from contingencies and sponsors.... well, you need to look at a race track and note how big the grandstands are-
that is where the purse comes from- fannies on the planks, not any other source.
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5k is what most teams spend on just the pre-running. There are a lot of teams running Best in Desert because of the price. There are not a lot of
sponsor's going around for those guys.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Just looked at the link, wow SCORE isn't cheap on entry fees:
PRO FOUR WHEEL CLASSES - $3,520 TOTAL FEES
PRO MOTORCYCLE & ATV CLASSES - $3,020 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN FOUR WHEEL - $2,100 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN MOTORCYCLE & ATV - $1,900 TOTAL FEES |
Wonder what the entry fees used to be, say 30 years ago?
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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I dont know but did they almost double this year?? maybe im not reading this right?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
could this be sal's way of limiting the field? |
Sal Fish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal_Fish
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Just looked at the link, wow SCORE isn't cheap on entry fees:
PRO FOUR WHEEL CLASSES - $3,520 TOTAL FEES
PRO MOTORCYCLE & ATV CLASSES - $3,020 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN FOUR WHEEL - $2,100 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN MOTORCYCLE & ATV - $1,900 TOTAL FEES |
Wonder what the entry fees used to be, say 30 years ago? |
It was $800 in 1979.
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These fees don't seem outrageous to me...it costs about $600 to race an Ironman race and that only covers 140 miles.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Just looked at the link, wow SCORE isn't cheap on entry fees:
PRO FOUR WHEEL CLASSES - $3,520 TOTAL FEES
PRO MOTORCYCLE & ATV CLASSES - $3,020 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN FOUR WHEEL - $2,100 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN MOTORCYCLE & ATV - $1,900 TOTAL FEES |
Wonder what the entry fees used to be, say 30 years ago? |
It was $800 in 1979. |
Good stuff... thanks! Seems reasonable then today.
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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I can only speak for pro motorcycles
2011 $1650
2012 $3020
I imagine the other classes see similar increases.
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2012 goes to La Paz, why more$$$
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good question david, heres the breakdown.
entry $2000
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land use $150
airplane relay $125
points fund $50
just the tip of the iceberg, not the everyman race it used to be!
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Agreed
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Just looked at the link, wow SCORE isn't cheap on entry fees:
PRO FOUR WHEEL CLASSES - $3,520 TOTAL FEES
PRO MOTORCYCLE & ATV CLASSES - $3,020 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN FOUR WHEEL - $2,100 TOTAL FEES
SPORTSMAN MOTORCYCLE & ATV - $1,900 TOTAL FEES |
maybe they can spare a few dollars to repair the erosion they cause and clean up the trash their spectators leave, eh?
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