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micah202
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....US border Fee$ coming!?
...I just heard that the DHS has proposed to start charging 'traveller taxe$' at it's land borders similar to those charged at airports.
...this sounds like it'd be a nasty hit to those who regularly cross,if the charge takes effect-it's in a budgetary proposal stage right now,,,no
mention of the amount .
http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/snowbirds-upset-with-proposed-u-...
[Edited on 4-22-2013 by micah202]
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Ateo
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Just charge $50 to cross and that'll cut down on the long border wait.  . Kidding.
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They're doing a 9 month study on it
Already a lot of opposition from border buisnesses stateside
That depend on cross-boarder shopping
sold out and got out !!!
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They bring out this topic occasionally and for some reason it always hits a deadend.
I would be willing to pay if they would speed up the process, but I wouldn't particularly care to pay if all I got was abuse.
OK...check this out: Around ten years back, I applied for a new passport as mine was about to expire.
Well....I did everything including pay for it, but I never received it in the mail.
I went to the passport office in Chula Vista and all they would say was don't tell us, call this number.
I was on my way to the VA, and I had a bag of change, so when I got there I tried to call from a pay phone only to find out the telephone number was a
900 number, just like the phone sex sites, and no matter how hard you try, you can't call a 900 number from a pay phone.
That afternoon back at the motel, I again called the number using my credit card, and when I got through, I asked the lady on the other end about the
900 number and she told me it was an effort by the passport agency to become self-sufficient.
So much for taxes. 
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
Just charge $50 to cross and that'll cut down on the long border wait. . Kidding.
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Yes it would. 
Seriously, bad idea for commerce. I am sure San Diego will oppose it.
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DENNIS
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Mexico would likely follow suit in their newborn push for fiscal solvency. We just have to wait and see if either side restricts the fee to
foreigners. That would be Hari Kari.
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Well shucks.....they fund robot squirrels so why not something that at least has some merit.
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DHS Hopes To Explore Border Crossing Fee
From http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/apr/22/dhs-explore-border-cros...
DHS Hopes To Explore Border Crossing Fee
Monday, April 22, 2013
By John Rosman
The Department of Homeland Security wants to study establishing a crossing fee along the Southwest and Northern borders.
In the DHS 2014 budget proposal, the agency asks Congress to allow a study assessing the feasibility and cost associated with establishing fees for
crossers at the international borders.
The study would also look at collecting from existing operators like toll operators and commercial buses as well.
The study would be conducted within nine months of the budget’s passage.
Here’s the entire text in the congressional Budget Justification FY 2014:
Sec. 544. (a) The Commissioner of the United States Customs and Border Protection shall: (1) conduct a study assessing the feasibility and cost
relating to establishing and collecting a land border crossing fee for both land border pedestrians and passenger vehicles along the northern and
southwest borders of the United States; the study should include: (A) the feasibility of collecting from existing operators on theland border such as
bridge commissions, toll operators, commercial passenger bus, and commercial passenger rail; (B) requirements to collect at land ports of entry where
existing capability is not present; 17and (C) any legal and regulatory impediments to establishing and collecting a land border crossing fee; and (2)
complete the study within 9 months of enactment of this Act.
Explanation: The Department requests insertion of this provision to enable the Department to examine the feasibility and costs of establishing a land
border fee.
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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More details from KPBS website
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/apr/22/dhs-explore-border-cros...
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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MrBillM
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User Fees are Fair ................
And, ALWAYS preferable to taxes where practical.
The user has the option to engage (or not) in the subject activities.
They are the ONE Libertarian idea which (in theory) makes sense.
Pay YOUR OWN way. Don't expect others to subsidize your decisions.
The usual problem is that (like various alternative tax proposals), they end up being in addition to, rather than replacing, existing taxation.
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
And, ALWAYS preferable to taxes where practical.
The user has the option to engage (or not) in the subject activities.
They are the ONE Libertarian idea which (in theory) makes sense.
Pay YOUR OWN way. Don't expect others to subsidize your decisions.
The usual problem is that (like various alternative tax proposals), they end up being in addition to, rather than replacing, existing taxation.
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...sounds all fine until you think of the 1000's of mexicans who cross the border -daily- to service low-paying work in SanDiego
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MrBillM
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Subsidizing Service Jobs ?
That would seem a poor argument against user fees.
IF those crossing to work find it uneconomical, they will need to find an alternative. It should not be MY (or anyone's)
involuntary task to support THEIR life decisions.
IF they are necessary to the employment market and no others are available, the employers involved would pay the necessary costs to
keep them.
IF the economics dictate that the employer can find alternative employees at a better cost considering the fees, so be it.
The market should ALWAYS prevail.
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rts551
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Is the border there to service border crossers or close off the border for the many who never cross?
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Both...........
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MrBillM
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Protect and Serve ?
The primary purpose of border enforcement is SECURITY and protection of U.S. commerce within our National, State
and Local laws to OUR National interests.
ALL other considerations are secondary, tertiary, ................
There is NO responsibility to make life convenient for those who wish to travel back and forth beyond the borders.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The primary purpose of border enforcement is SECURITY and protection of U.S. commerce within our National, State
and Local laws to OUR National interests.
ALL other considerations are secondary, tertiary, ................
There is NO responsibility to make life convenient for those who wish to travel back and forth beyond the borders. |
Then based on your own definition, those are the ones who aught to pay.
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Pay YOUR Way
Those who make the Voluntary decision to cross the border and return should have NO objection to paying for their usage IF it reduces the
cost-burden for those who don't.
As an alternative to GENERAL taxation, User Fees make sense.
ALMOST always.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Those who make the Voluntary decision to cross the border and return should have NO objection to paying for their usage IF it reduces the
cost-burden for those who don't.
As an alternative to GENERAL taxation, User Fees make sense.
ALMOST always. |
This is really a hot issue for us here in Canada who cross into the US often.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Those who make the Voluntary decision to cross the border and return should have NO objection to paying for their usage IF it reduces the
cost-burden for those who don't.
As an alternative to GENERAL taxation, User Fees make sense.
ALMOST always. |
If I take this further, then I shouldn't pay taxes for the FAA since I voluntarily don't fly. Correct? and since I don't feel threatened ( I spend
most of my time in Mexico) I should not be paying taxes for defense. Correct? or where does the voluntary decision part stop
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| Quote: | Originally posted by howabouti
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Those who make the Voluntary decision to cross the border and return should have NO objection to paying for their usage IF it reduces the
cost-burden for those who don't.
As an alternative to GENERAL taxation, User Fees make sense.
ALMOST always. |
This is really a hot issue for us here in Canada who cross into the US often. |
If you cross often, why don't you get in the NEXUS program???
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