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Riding on the Beach on the East Cape
I recently saw a post regarding the prohibition of riding atvs and mcs on the beach on the East Cape. Forgive my ignorance but exactly where is the
East Cape. I recently returned from a ride in Baja (1st time) where we rode on the beach from 20 miles south of San Felipe to Puerticitos. Were we
in violation of the law?
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jrbaja
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I don't think so
I believe it's still legal where you were. Not all homes and condos and stuff yet.
East cape is in Baja Sur between Los Barriles and San Jose del Cabo. It's a gringo name so you won't see it on too many maps.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
I believe it's still legal where you were. |
It isn't legal anywhere in Mexico.
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One of the reasons for the ban is that the turtles are nesting on these beaches. I personally agree with the ban of motorized vehicles on the beaches
for that very reason. My husband and I walk our dogs everyday on the beach near La Playa and we regularly see turtle tracks where the mother has
come in to lay her eggs and made her way back to the sea. These turtles need all of our help to survive!
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jim janet
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beaches
This must apply to the people who rent atvs just north of Cabo on the Pacific side.They must be paying someone Big bucks.
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Dave's correct, wether it's enforced or not, driving/riding vehicles down the beaches is against the law in ALL of mexico. It's fun to do so we try
to get by with it, but shouldn't cry if we get caught.
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it may be true that it is against the law but the fact is that dogs and cattlle creats more problems for the turtles then humans and quads. go down to
la fortuna some time and watch the dogs dig up the eggs and what the cattle does to the sand. horses and bulls creat a perfect print for the little
turtles to turn over in and lay upside down for a prediter, a typical ATV print has less then a half inch print. the fact is that the more rich
gringos that move down there then the more beaches that will be closed to atvs. look at the beach in front of la laguna, before there was the gringo
influence we could drive down there and fish and have a picnic but now sighs all over to keep people off. theres never a problem till the gringos
show up and thats a fact. love rideing the beach on my atv!
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U, go Grover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The scoop is that the few who aren't humans ruin it for the rest.
[Edited on 11-13-2004 by elgatoloco]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
Don't turtles and other creatures nest pretty high up on the berm?
I'm curious because it seems like vehicle traffic of any kind would be pretty much confined to the transition from the backbone access road to the
low-tide hardpack.
I know the few times I've driven on the beach I wasn't exactly anxious to crawl along forever in the soft stuff.
You want to get down on the hard stuff, quick. 
What's the scoop on that?
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That's very correct... cross the dry soft sand ASAP and get to the firm wet sand below the high tide line. You don't even need 4WD there and all the
Mexican's that drive the beach south of San Felipe seem to do it fine in their 2WD trucks (checking the gill nets). Don't worry, there are no turtles
near San Felipe (even back in the 60's) and no other people on the beach shown here... also, no roads to get to camp on Shell Island... this is the
only way there...
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Please Join The Grupo Tortuguero, Pro Peninsula and Grupo Ecologista Antares for the
7th Annual Conference
of the Sea Turtle Network
January 28-30, 2005
Loreto, BCS, Mexico
For registration, hotel information and conference details please visit www.iconferences.org/gt7 or contact Kama Dean at (619) 723-0700 kama@propeninsula.org
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ATVs/Turtle nests
I don't know much about turtles but google does. The greatest threat to turtle nests are hurricanes that hit beaches at high tide, beach strandings
(25%), bird and animal predation, people. All of that should urge us to be careful about how we use the beach -- stay on the wet sand when you can.
I personally don't think ATVs do very much damage.
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The beaches themselves up to the high water mark are not damaged by the above mentioned dangers.The tide takes care of all.It is the area above the
normal high tide that is damaged by man and beast.Atvs are hard on dunes it takes years to grow that sparce cover and only moments to rip out.:
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bajajudy
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hola
just tried the link for the turtle conference and it didnt fly. will get back when i have a good link, since some of you seemed interested.
two years ago it was at the camino real which turned out to be a great place and they got a really good room rate. hopefully they will be able to do
the same this year.
more later
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bajajudy
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try this for the turtle conference:
http://www.iconferences.org/gt7/
it is going to be in downtown Loreto...somewhere.
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sea turtles
Try this group:
ASUPMATOMA
Asociacion Sudcaliforniana de Protecion al Medio Ambiente y a la Tortuga Marina A.C.
http://www.mexonline.com/tortuga.htm
Here is another informative link:
http://www.mongabay.com/sea_turtles/
Also, In 2005 Grupo Tortuguero de las Californias will be back in Loreto from January 28 through 30 to celebrate the 7th Annual Meeting.
First, I'd like to say that I?m happy to hear that many people do care about the environment. However, even if one thinks that it is ok to drive on
the hard sand below the high tide line because that?s not where turtle dig their nests does not make it right. ?Quickly? crossing the deeper sand can
still put a sea turtle nest at risk?running it over is still running it over. Also, consider the image that driving on the beach creates for others
not in the know: ?If they can drive on the beach so can I.? Plus, ?driving on the beach? for many entails driving on and over everything from the
waters edge to the dunes behind the high tide line. It is known that driving off-road vehicles on beaches is a severe problem in many areas. Doing
this can result in a decreased hatchling success rate because of sand compaction or it can directly kill the hatchlings. Tire ruts can also interfere
with the ability of hatchlings to make it to the sea.
All five species of sea turtles are listed as endangered in Mexico. The definition of endangered being "any species which is in danger of extinction
throughout all or a significant portion of its range." 16 U.S.C. ? 1532(6). With our ability to modify our behaviors in ways that will help prevent
these species from going extinct it seems reasonable to obey the law and not drive on the beach while still enjoying all that Baja has to offer. We
have a responsibility to take care of the land and sea we all love and use, no matter our nationality. Understanding a little bit about these kinds
of issues can add depth our experience of Baja and the way we move through the world.
OK, thank you for listing. I will step off my soap box now?
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jrbaja
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Gringorio
That was so right on target that they will probably start calling you "anti american"
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Is there a map tha show where the turtles nest?
I have only read about the eggs being on the beaches near Cabo... south of Todos Santos.
If no maps, then is there any documentation on nesting site locations?
Thank you!
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Driving on the Beach
There is a New Weekly Newspaper being published in San Felipe.
"El Sol de San Felipe". The 20-26 Octubre edition is headlined
DRAMA EN LA PLAYA. The headlined story relates that a pickup
truck hauling out a "Banana" from the surf in front of Ruben's
camp failed to note that there was a woman sunbathing in their
path and DROVE over her. Remarkably, she suffered no serious
injuries. Events like this are bound to increase pressure to
enforce the existing ban.
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As I stated I walk on the beach everyday from La Playa almost to Laguna Hills on the Sea of Cortez and see tracks from the mothers trying to nest
regularly. They do nest on the beaches as far north as Los Barriles to my knowledge.
I am a firm believer that the best thing we can all do for the Baja that we all love is to leave it exactly as we found it. That would be without
tire tracks on the beach.
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