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11,000 room resort planned for Todo Santos???
http://peninsulardigital.com/extra/proyectan-hotel-de-11-mil...
I just read about "Playa Santos" and wondered if there is talk of it in TS? 4 million square meters and will use 17 million litres of water a day!
They are submitting the plan to Semarnat for approval then take it to the public. It's quite the project....I cant imagine it ever being built...but
maybe that's what they said in CAbo 30 years ago.
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Gee...........I wonder who has this kind of money?
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I wonder what they're smoking? They only need about 1,144,000 guests a year to keep that many rooms occupied.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
http://peninsulardigital.com/extra/proyectan-hotel-de-11-mil...
I just read about "Playa Santos" and wondered if there is talk of it in TS? 4 million square meters and will use 17 million litres of water a day!
They are submitting the plan to Semarnat for approval then take it to the public. It's quite the project....I cant imagine it ever being built...but
maybe that's what they said in CAbo 30 years ago. |
Let's put 11,000 rooms in perspective -- who know how many hotel rooms are in Cabo region?? I would bet there are maybe less than 11,000 in Cabo
region,... cant imagine any more than 500 rooms being built in TS region in a decade,... just saying.... pie in the sky plans of mexican resort
developers are usually followed by abandoned lots with rebar art work decorating the skyline
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DENNIS
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Cartels have been buying resort properties for years. They operate them with staff, never renting a room, but never showing a vacancy on the books.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Cartels have been buying resort properties for years. They operate them with staff, never renting a room, but never showing a vacancy on the books.
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I think this project is being developed by a group from Colorado, they have an office in Todos Santos and
one of the principals has a beach front property near me, definitely not cartel. We do have two of the hotels you refer to in TS already, they are
ghost hotels, no marketing, no guests, nada.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
We do have two of the hotels you refer to in TS already, they are ghost hotels, no marketing, no guests, nada. |
Just north of Rosarito sat the Oasis Hotel, never really open to the public, but was mainly used for parties to entertain officials on the payroll.
It was a time when impunity ruled and everyone was above suspicion.
It has been torn down to make room for a high-rise condo project....same owners, I presume....the AF family.
It was taken over for a short time by the military around 13 or 14 years ago.
The military had backed themselves into a corner with this confiscation and couldn't just drop the issue which had become very public.
Sooo....after some deliberation, the decision was made that it didn't really belong to the AF brothers..........but belonged to their mother, and
everything went back to normal.
The whole story is similar to Hank Rhon , owner of the Caliente empire, as well as past mayor of TJ, being arrested in the DF airport returning from
the Orient with prohibited items....ivory mostly.
Well...they had him cold, but his father was still alive and super powerful, so, with the world watching, the authorities made a decision that all the
illegal contraband was fake....artificial.
Jorge was released, probably with his loot.
Isn't power wonderful?
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yes Dennis it is wonderful,, things like this just makes me want to puke
I so hope one day people like this will have their day
but I am sure I will not live that long
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no doubt a misprint, at least as far as number of rooms.
and do remember what Mexico builds best...ruins!
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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The Oasis Hotel Resort
Was confiscated by the Mexican government for a time.
If you had receipts from there, on return to the U.S. you would be pulled aside and questioned by customs.
The resort was released back to the family and was subsequently torn down and completely rebuilt,
The giant high rise a bit south of there, the NAOS is rumored to be being built from excess cartel cash.
http://naosliving.com/
[Edited on 6-27-2013 by Gypsy Jan]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
The resort was released back to the family and was subsequently torn down and completely rebuilt,
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I know it was torn down, but rebuilt? This is news to me. Where was it rebuilt?
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Gypsy Jan
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Same Location, Different Look
We don't go by there that often and I don't know the name of the new hotel.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
We don't go by there that often and I don't know the name of the new hotel. |
Whenever I return from the states, I look over there and can't remember seeing anything new except the tall unfinished building on the south side.
I'll look closer next Monday.
All of the fixtures from the Oasis ended up in a yard, probably for sale, on the road between Ensenada and Maneadero.
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While I realize that 11,000 rooms sounds staggering, for a point of reference, the two Riu properties, All-inclusive, based in the Azores, combined,
have almost 1600 rooms between them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
While I realize that 11,000 rooms sounds staggering, for a point of reference, the two Riu properties, All-inclusive, based in the Azores, combined,
have almost 1600 rooms between them. |
We're talking about Todos Santos here, I don't see how the local
infrastructure could possible handle another 1,000,000+ visitors a year, even if they could find that many people who wanted to come here. All of
Mexico only draws about 25 million tourists a year.
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maybe they're operating on the illusion that 'If you build it, they will come".
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
maybe they're operating on the illusion that 'If you build it, they will come". |
Here's another acid trip to make you wonder. Look at the master plan:
http://cuatrocuatros.mx/en/index.php
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
While I realize that 11,000 rooms sounds staggering, for a point of reference, the two Riu properties, All-inclusive, based in the Azores, combined,
have almost 1600 rooms between them. |
We're talking about Todos Santos here, I don't see how the local
infrastructure could possible handle another 1,000,000+ visitors a year, even if they could find that many people who wanted to come here. All of
Mexico only draws about 25 million tourists a year. |
Methinks we're looking at a long term plan to build incrementally. Who knows what the infrastructure in that area will support 20 years from now.
As a point of reference, the Hacienda Del Mar property took 15 years to build out.
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If you go to the link in the original post and download the pdf embedded in it, there are detailed plans for the project. After having spent a few
minutes looking through them, I can't for the life of me figure out where they got the number 11,000 habitaciones in that article. This actually looks
to be a very well thought out and first class project, that besides residential, hotels, and commercial space, also has a campus of Colorado State
University. From what I understand, this same group has completed a similar project in Chile, that is a real show piece of sustainable development.
It's worth downloading the pdf to see what they are planning.
[Edited on 6-28-2013 by monoloco]
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for what its worth (which isnt anything) 11,000 rooms is pretty grande! here's the worlds top ten biggest hotels now.
Rank Name City Rooms/Suites Floors
1 Izmailovo Hotel Moscow 7,500 4 towers, Alpha, Beta, Vega, Gamma-Delta, 30-stories each
2 MGM Grand Las Vegas Las Vegas 6,852 includes MGM Grand (30 floors), Signature, Skylofts, and The Mansion
3 First World Hotel Genting Highlands (Malaysia) 6,118 24 floors (Tower 1), 28 floors (Tower 2)
4 Disney's All-Star Resort Orlando 5,524 30 Buildings - 3 floors each (rank on this list disputed because Disney sells rooms in All-Star Movies,
All-Star Music and All-Star Sports separately and treats them as separate hotels, not one hotel)
5 Wynn Las Vegas + Encore Las Vegas Las Vegas 4,734 45/48 Floors (2 towers)
6 Luxor Las Vegas Las Vegas 4,408 22/22/36 floors (3 buildings)
7 THEhotel at Mandalay Bay + Four Seasons Las Vegas 4,332 43 floors
8 Ambassador City Jomtien Pattaya 4,219
9 The Venetian Las Vegas Las Vegas 4,049 36 floors
10 Excalibur Hotel and Casino Las Vegas 4,008 28 floors (2 towers)
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