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standingwave
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What temporary shelters are good for baja?
I am looking for a large tent/enclosure for my next Baja trip. Something along the lines of a swap meet tent or a pole and fabric car shelter.
Dimensions around 12' by 16'. I am interested in peoples' experiences with these temporary shelters in Baja. Which ones stand up to the winds? to the
sun? What have you used that works well?
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Curt63
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Caravan makes an excellent 10x10 portable shelter with walls. Should be about $200 at Costco online. Quality construction and lasts a long time.
No worries
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DENNIS
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Marriot. 
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standingwave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Curt63
Caravan makes an excellent 10x10 portable shelter with walls. Should be about $200 at Costco online. Quality construction and lasts a long time.
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too small :-(
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woody with a view
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u2u Don Jorge. he has the most bad azz shelter i've ever seen.
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standingwave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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too big :-(
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standingwave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
u2u Don Jorge. he has the most bad azz shelter i've ever seen. |
thnx, Woody. U2U on its way
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mojo_norte
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Costco carries (or did) a larger 'portable' garage' - pole and white tarpaulin - and I've seen people use them for a season in moderate windy
conditions with some additional tie downs .
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While I don't have a specific recommendation for a product, I would make a suggestion based on my motto: "Go Light, Go Now." Bigger is heavier, is a
larger silhouette for wind forces, takes longer to put up. If you're thinking of staying put in one place in this thing (once up, once down) for an
extended period, I suppose would be worth complicated construction time. In Baja you need AIR FLOW. Without actual experience with one, I might
consider a screen tent. You can see the view you came for, have protection from bugs, air flow, rain roof, cook safely inside it. As far as wind,
yes, the wind can blow and brings the sand with it. Extra tie downs - tied to your car, a boulder, a tree - are necessary. Inside, weatherproof all
your belongings. You could always have multiple shelters like Graham McIntosh does - he has a sleeping tent, a cooking tent, an equipment tent.
Improvising based on the exact locale is done as the days go by. Find a site with natural protections and advantages. E.g., don't set up on the edge
of the top of a cliff where the winds will howl and kick up dirt. Some natural shade would be good as well. You could also have a smaller sleeping
tent inside to protect from sand blows.
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Bob and Susan
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this one is ALWAYS my favorite
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I haven't seen Don Jorge's set up but I do like mine.
It is 14.5 X 14.5, the size was determined by the truck bed I had the time. It is bullet proof. Takes about 20 min or so to set up.
The frame is a 3/4" swap-meet awning using 3/4 emt cut to size.
There are 6 down poles and the middle is raised about 15' higher. The tarp is a custom made out of Shelter-Rite truck tarp, reenforced on all edges
with 2.5" webbing and grommets for bungees. It runs across the top and down the back,it can be nailed down across the back.The sides are custom made
out of the same material, a little short can't be nailed. This trap has out lasted and taken more of a beating then others. The sides are used when
it get nasty most times they are down or only 1 is used on the windward side
The whole thing fits in a black and yellow plastic box. The polls are the same length and duct taped together in 6 poll units for transport. The
stakes are re-bar or giant nails.
The front gets 5gal. buckets filled with water, sand or rocks on all the down poles. The black box is filled with the same material and tied off in
the middle in the back. When it get really windy I part the truck in front to help break the wind. All the tie-downs are 1' climb spec. or 6mm
spectra. Most think it's over built until it gets bad.This set up has been in 50+ mile winds and pouring rains. On one trip a pole was warped and
replaced.
There are lots of places on line at sell the frames and tarps. The silver heavy tarps are cooler then the blue or white. At one time there was a place
at the OC swap meet but they are out of business.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by standingwave
I am looking for a large tent/enclosure for my next Baja trip. Something along the lines of a swap meet tent or a pole and fabric car shelter.
Dimensions around 12' by 16'. I am interested in peoples' experiences with these temporary shelters in Baja. Which ones stand up to the winds? to the
sun? What have you used that works well? |
you want cheap and wind-proof? try a military surplus tent. here is a 17x17 you can pick up for $450 in los angeles:
these tents weigh a bit, but have walls that can be opened up when the wind dies (if the wind dies  )
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mtgoat666
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you can get this 18x18 for $800
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by standingwave
I am looking for a large tent/enclosure for my next Baja trip. Something along the lines of a swap meet tent or a pole and fabric car shelter.
Dimensions around 12' by 16'. I am interested in peoples' experiences with these temporary shelters in Baja. Which ones stand up to the winds? to the
sun? What have you used that works well? |
you want cheap and wind-proof? try a military surplus tent. here is a 17x17 you can pick up for $450 in los angeles:
these tents weigh a bit, but have walls that can be opened up when the wind dies (if the wind dies ) |
looks familiar!
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Curt63
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These work well for beach camping. I asked about the flat roof and my friend said its best for the wind. a pitched roof gets blown worse. He said
sometimes you have to use a broom stick to remove a heavy overnight dew. This is from Ace Canopy online. I know nothing about this vendor.
Canopy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by standingwave
Which ones stand up to the winds? to the sun? |
Any shelter in Baja you have to stake or tie down to really heavy rocks. And if you do, then it will make no difference what brand or design -
whatever is cheaper. Fabric will deteriorate with time, but you said that it has to be a "temporary" shelter. Poles on cheaper shelters are usually
steel and the surface will corrode after a while, but it will still work.
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MMc
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I really disagree about going cheap the EMT has held up very well. We wash everything when we get home. My Vinyl is still water proof. It was not
inexpensive but it was out lasted all my friends tarps and is used as much or more then there's. I believe in getting the right product for the job
and maintaining well.
I like a slight pitch, works better in the rain. If we're leaving camp when we have big wind we lift the backside on top.
This is about what we have with all poles being same. Much easier to pack same length polls.
http://creativeshelters1.reachlocal.net/Design-Tools/Cut-Lis...
Air flow is not a issue.
[Edited on 9-8-2013 by MMc]
[Edited on 9-8-2013 by MMc]
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bajaguy
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Netting
This stuff works great
https://www.camonettingstore.com/surplus-camo-netting/
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freediverbrian
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Had a pitched cover with the silver tarp on it, the corner legs in five gallon concret buckets . A gust of wind in gonzaga picked up the cover and
turned it upside down. The netting is a good idea less wind resistence.
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durrelllrobert
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I once designed and built a shelter for an outside kitchen/dining area for a restaurant. it was 12' x 16', open on one side, and because it set on the
beach in the Federal zone it had to be easy to disassemble and take down. It consisted of eleven 4x'8' panels, each reinforced with 2x3 x 8' at 24"
on center + top and bottom (4 pieces per panel total). The center 2x3 on each panel was attached to a steel studded fence post (see picture) that was
first driven into the ground about 12" (depending on how deep the sand was) on 4' centers.
For a 12' x 16' enclosure that is open on one end a total of 11 panels are required for the walls and 6 more are required for the flat roof for a
total of 17. When these a stacked in your truck bed for transportation the stack will be 4'x8' x 26" high.
The material needed for all 17 panes is as follows:
(17) 4'x8' x 3/8" plywood
(68) 2x3 x 8'
(11) steel studded fence post
About 1 pound 1" long drywall screws
Total cost should be less than $500
edit: forgot picture
[Edited on 9-9-2013 by durrelllrobert]
Bob Durrell
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