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markthompson
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Citizenship
It certainly seems like the days of obtaining citizenship easily in Mexico are over. I am having trouble even finding anyone who has been able to
obtain Mexican citizenship within the last 6 months to a year. I am hoping to hear from some folks and maybe some recommendations for help. I live
in La Paz. It seems that many are in process for the last 6 months, but do not seem to move forward. Please share your positive experiences on who
and how you able to be succesful.
Thanks
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Marla Daily
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Here is my ongoing and current situation:
For 8 months, I have been emailing the citizenship attorney in Mexico city, Gilberto Pineda, recommended on this board by others. He has copies of my
documents, and his last email of August 7 states:
ESTOY ASIENDO UNA REVICION Y QUE ME AUTORICEN LA RECEPCION POR LOS CAMBIOS QUE A ABIDO LE CONTESTO CON CALMA MAS TARDE POR FAVOR.
I think he is saying he is reviewing the documents, and hopes the documents he submitted will get the approved stamp of reception (which is the first
step before processing the application - according to the mexican government system), and saying that there have been lot's of changes lately. (I
imagine within the government offices).
I've emailed him since, but no reply.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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hmmmm...sounds like Gilbert is saying there have been new changes that may affect your solicitude and he is waiting to see if they will receive it....
I do know that when the government changed to PRI, things all over the country grinded to a halt because it's a whole new ball game with lots of new
changes. But if anyone can get it through, it's Gilberto.
Mark, I suggest you do NOT seek citizenship via the La Paz office...it is known as the graveyard of citizenship requests as very very few ever go
through and die a slow death in a ream of paperwork. Contact Gilberto if you want to be successful at getting citizenship...maybe U2U Marla with for
his number.
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BajaBlanca
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GILBERTO PINEDA
gpcpineda@hotmail.com or call him in Mexico City at
55 5529-8701 and cell phone 045 55 5419-6812
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markthompson
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We tried emailing a few times to Sr Pineda with no response. We just wanted to start the process
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by markthompson
We just wanted to start the process |
I'm only being curious when I ask, and if it's overly personal, please disregard, but what are your reasons for pursuing citizenship?
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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mtnpop
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In watching this thread my question was are you getting citizenship or the resident permanent card (old imagrado) status ????
I thought they were still different and that to go to citizenship you had to take some kind of Mexico history test along with speak fluent Spanish..
Maybe I have not researched it far enough myself..
I also am not sure the advantage or why to seek citizenship...
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monoloco
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The only advantage that I can see is the ability to hold title to land in the restricted zone. Shari is spot on about La Paz being the graveyard of
citizenship applications.
[Edited on 9-16-2013 by monoloco]
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I had a rabbi, and I feel strongly that had not Ismael made phone calls, and tutored me I would not have stood a chance.
Is it worth it? Each person has to study the pros and cons and make up their mind.
The PRI technocrats started this krap with Miguel de La Madrid. Then Carlos Salinas de Ladrón amplified it. They're back and it's going to get worse.
Ismael who is a Delagado Federal says México is talking about imposing a graduating scale of required minimum bank balances, increasing to fifty
thousand pesos over a period of a few years. Then filing with SAT yearly a tax on income of extraneous residente permanentes. Some people laughed when
I reported the PRI was considering a VAT imposed on groceries and medicines. The PRI is considering imposing IVA on LABOR. Whether it be for building
a house, or repairing a flat tire. I have no idea whether or not these discussions are going to lead to new taxes, but I fear the taxing has just
begun.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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shari
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| Quote: | Originally posted by markthompson
We tried emailing a few times to Sr Pineda with no response. We just wanted to start the process |
When I dealt with Gilberto....he wasnt answering emails, you had to contact him by phone. His daughter was helping in the office but perhaps she is on
her own now....call him.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
but I fear the taxing has just begun. |
If Slim were audited and corrected, a large part on Mexico's fiscal problems could be solved.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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CortezBlue
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I have a question??
I am wondering what cirummstances has lead any of you who are looking to get Mexican Citzenship?
I have my Perm Residence card and considered getting Citezenship, but until they get the Fidicomiso issue resolved I am happy with my status.
I am just curious what the reason(s) are that you all have?
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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With the PRI back in power, any attempt to corral an even bigger power grab by Slime would be like having had Sam Giancana chair the House Select
Committee on Organized Crime.
The PRI is going to tax, they are going to rob, and coerce, and rig. My laughing answer? Require Mexican politicians to undergo a polygraph exam in
Switzerland by the Swiss. They should do this with USA politicians as well. Hook the "wrong answer" clips to their .... Then make sure megawatts of
power are available because the power system would be in for a Trial-By-Fire.
They should start off the exam by a trial. Test the Municipio Mulege delegacion. The resulting mushroom clouds would pretty much screw up tiny
Switzerland, though. Blow the freakin' polygraphs all the way to Madagascar.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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oladulce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
I have a question??
I am wondering what cirummstances has lead any of you who are looking to get Mexican Citzenship?
I have my Perm Residence card and considered getting Citezenship, but until they get the Fidicomiso issue resolved I am happy with my status.
I am just curious what the reason(s) are that you all have? |
We've dumped more money than we should have in to this Baja "dream house" and eliminating capital gains taxes when we sell it are a huge factor and
our motivation for pursuing citizenship someday. I can't find the info that says what the requirements are now for citizenship? Do you have to hold a
Permanente for a certain number of years?
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Yes. Just like holding an FM-2 used to be.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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markthompson
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citizenship
I was told you only needed to hold a Residente Permanente long enough to take the card from 1 hand and give it to SRE with the other. In other words,
you just have to have the status, no time length before you are elgible to apply.
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chippy
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Its nice having both but was it worth the pain? Jurys still out on that one. But as my neighbor says "great now you can get screwed by both
governments".
[Edited on 9-16-2013 by chippy]
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Eli
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
I have a question??
I am wondering what cirummstances has lead any of you who are looking to get Mexican Citzenship?
I have my Perm Residence card and considered getting Citezenship, but until they get the Fidicomiso issue resolved I am happy with my status.
I am just curious what the reason(s) are that you all have? |
My reason for becoming a citizen of Mexico was, (and still is), it is my home, my father is buried here, my grandkids were born here, all my family is
here, my life is 100 percent invested in Mexico. With the exception of going North with Dad for a couple of weeks about 10years ago for meds, I have
not been state side for 24 years. I may go back North for a visit someday, but I would not hold my breath waiting to see that happen.
The freedom to not have to show income, which in my case is way below the minimum required. I can run my tiny business without proving my right to do
so. And of course having an opinion about Anything without looking over my shoulder, all add up to a peace of mind that was so worth the hassle I went
thru 9 years ago in order to get that little piece of paper. I never looked back, this is where I belong.
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bajajudy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I will pursue this, too, once I am fluent in Spanish. I have been told even without Spanish proficiency I would be able to do this but I don't feel
right about that.
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None of my business but if you are over 60 you don't have to take the test.
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CortezBlue
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oladulce
| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
I have a question??
I am wondering what cirummstances has lead any of you who are looking to get Mexican Citzenship?
I have my Perm Residence card and considered getting Citezenship, but until they get the Fidicomiso issue resolved I am happy with my status.
I am just curious what the reason(s) are that you all have? |
We've dumped more money than we should have in to this Baja "dream house" and eliminating capital gains taxes when we sell it are a huge factor and
our motivation for pursuing citizenship someday. I can't find the info that says what the requirements are now for citizenship? Do you have to hold a
Permanente for a certain number of years? |
I am under the impression that you don't need to have citizenship or even permanent residence to get a tax break. For example, my neighbors sold
their home about 3 years ago. They only had an FM3 and they were told that if they had an FM2 they could save capital gains. They got their FM2,
sold the casa and paid no taxes.
As far as getting citizenship while holding a PR card, I think I can do it at any time, but really have no interest in get citizenship.
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