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San Jose Comondu lake
Nomads,
Google Earth indicates that there is what appears to be a lake NNE of San Jose Comondu. Two years ago DT Bushpilot and I started up that road from
Comondu as I mistook it for the road to San Isidro (it was really unpleasant to ride on   ).
Dk, you will likely know something about that area as that bad road is one you have mentioned before....i
Does any one have any info on that body of water?
Gracias.
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Planning a return???????????????????
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Hacienda Don Mario
I don't know anything about a lake, but I do know that there is a very nice hotel now in San Miguel de Comondu! We saw it on Sunday as it opened for
for the winefest. They just (almost) finished it on Wednesday, in time to rent the pretty new rooms for the fiesta. They are gorgeous, very
classy,with luxurious bathrooms with hot water, and the kitchen appliances will be installed shortly.
There isn't a restaurant yet, so the owners suggest you might want to bring your food and drink. 600 pesos for two per night, 100p more for an extra
person. It is just of the plaza, a beautifully constructed orange building.
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Yes, it is a seasonal lake... actually more than one. The biggest is called San Julio...
Here it is on the Gulick map of 1962:
On the 2009 Baja Almanac, find it on Map 16, and it shows an airplane symbol on it! On the 2003 Almanac, it is on Map 40, in the lower left corner.
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David,
I must disagree.
Spark up Google Earth and find San Jose Comondu (as you scroll in you will see "Comondu" appear in script....and as you scroll in more, you will see
"Casa Vieja" appear below "Comondu")
The green water I am referring to is at " 1:00 " o'clock....and at " 3:00" o'clock, a smaller lake/pond/lago.
These are two distinctly separate bodies of water and NOT the dry lakebed you refer to.
The "bad road" out of Comondu I referred to that DT and I turned around on goes NEasterly out of Comondu and goes past the lake and is on the north
side of the lake.....or try this (I just figured out how to get co-ords off GE a minute ago):
The bigger lake: 26.142802,-111.774645
Smaller one just south: 26.128817,-111.747093
[Edited on 11-27-2013 by motoged]
[Edited on 11-27-2013 by motoged]
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Paula,
WOW !!!! Thanks for that....I was prepared to camp if Dona Negrita (Shari and Juan found her across street from palm-trunk chair maker and that she
had a room to rent) was not renting.
Cookies and beer have been the supper for some nomads....maybe the tienda in San Jose Comondu will have a bit more staples for sale.
Ateo, yes I plan on returning by moto second week of January for a few days....just to hang out....and Cisco asked me to deliver a whet stone to the
chair maker....so I now have a plethora of reasons to return....now a new hotel...
Ged
| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
Hacienda Don Mario
I don't know anything about a lake, but I do know that there is a very nice hotel now in San Miguel de Comondu! We saw it on Sunday as it opened for
for the winefest. They just (almost) finished it on Wednesday, in time to rent the pretty new rooms for the fiesta. They are gorgeous, very
classy,with luxurious bathrooms with hot water, and the kitchen appliances will be installed shortly.
There isn't a restaurant yet, so the owners suggest you might want to bring your food and drink. 600 pesos for two per night, 100p more for an extra
person. It is just of the plaza, a beautifully constructed orange building. |
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Ged, a buddy and I went all the way through that road about 15 years ago with 4wd. Very rough but we made it. I have also flown over that area about
the same time and in both cases haven't seen anything like what shows up on Google Earth. The Google images are from 2004 so perhaps there is water
only in years with lots of rainfall. That road, according to old guidebooks, was the main route south from Mulege. We did see an airstrip along with
the remnants of a crashed small plane. Don't know if that road is doable now, the descent on the north end was very difficult.
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Here is even more good news for you, ged... I have a phone number for Jackeline Verdugo Meza, the owner--- 612 12 5 54 74. We didn't meet her, but
her husband and daughter showed us a room. You won't believe your eyes-- I won't even try to describe it. Don't share this number too much please,
as we are hoping to have two of the three rooms one night in the week before Christmas. And I know that everyone has been waiting for a hotel up
there, and it could sell out before we get our reservation!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
David,
I must disagree.
Spark up Google Earth and find San Jose Comondu (as you scroll in you will see "Comondu" appear in script....and as you scroll in more, you will see
"Casa Vieja" appear below "Comondu")
The green water I am referring to is at " 1:00 " o'clock....and at " 3:00" o'clock, a smaller lake/pond/lago.
These are two distinctly separate bodies of water and NOT the dry lakebed you refer to.
The "bad road" out of Comondu I referred to that DT and I turned around on goes NEasterly out of Comondu and goes past the lake and is on the north
side of the lake.....or try this (I just figured out how to get co-ords off GE a minute ago):
The bigger lake: 26.142802,-111.774645
Smaller one just south: 26.128817,-111.747093
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Hi Ged... I wasn't saying San Julio was for sure your lake, it was just one of many and the biggest northeast of Comondu...
Since you provided the exact location, I can tell you that your lake is called Llano la Laguna on the Baja Almanac and is located along the old main
road to La Paz (pre 1972). Here it is with your GPS waypoint, along with San Julio and Comondu:
North is at the top, scale bar on the lower left corner.
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Great intel.....now you can edit your post and remove her Tel # 
I won't tell a soul  ....but I will be there around the second week of
January midweek
[Edited on 11-27-2013 by motoged]
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Kurt,
We only rode several k's north out of Comondu and did not want to continue, not only because it was a bad road, but because my GPS had seduced me
momentarily
It would be a hard core adventure even by mule I think.
| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
Ged, a buddy and I went all the way through that road about 15 years ago with 4wd. Very rough but we made it. I have also flown over that area about
the same time and in both cases haven't seen anything like what shows up on Google Earth. The Google images are from 2004 so perhaps there is water
only in years with lots of rainfall. That road, according to old guidebooks, was the main route south from Mulege. We did see an airstrip along with
the remnants of a crashed small plane. Don't know if that road is doable now, the descent on the north end was very difficult.
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That's great area for arrowhead hunts. Been there, done that. Also another dry lake bed nearer Ciudad Constitution.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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One thing that is interesting, language wise:
Dry (or seasonal) Lakes in Baja Norte are called 'Laguna'...
The same features in Baja Sur are called 'Llano'.
The big one south of Constitucion is called Llanos Hiray.
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If this is the road that you're thinking of taking, it's reported to be about as rough as the road to San Isidro....we rode it in 2011.
It's a rugged road that I don't remember passing any significant water.
We did not ride this one but I think it's your northeast road?
Sorry for the pic sizes but I would have to break links to other sites to change them....
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SW,
I am not familiar with the location of your top picture, but the middle one looks like it is between San Javier and and San Jose Comondu.. The bottom
pic is familiar as it is the way out of Comondu heading north....to a fork up the hill that turns left to San Isidro or right to the "bad road
passing the lake"
I am not interested at this time in exploring the bad road more than the several miles DT and I rode two years ago.
This trip I plan on riding the road north into San Javier from the Lopez Mateos junction...and then to Los Comondus for a sleep or two...and then on
that bottom pic road to San Isidro/La Purisima....and then back to Mula's guest house.
At least that is part of the plan.
Thanks for the pics....here are some out of Comondu past the cemetary/dump to San Isidro:
That ride report is at:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666961
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
Here is even more good news for you, ged... I have a phone number for Jackeline Verdugo Meza, the owner--- 612 12 5 54 74. ..... Don't share this
number too much please, as we are hoping to have two of the three rooms one night in the week before Christmas. ..... |
Great intel.....now you can edit your post and remove her Tel #
I won't tell a soul ....but I will be there around the second week of
January midweek |
Oh, but I can't remove the number from YOUR post
I'll just have to trust my good karma from sharing, and hope that will get us the rooms when we want them!
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Removed !!!!
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Ged, that 'bad road' north from Comondu, past Llano la Laguna, is the old main Baja 'highway' before the pavement came (using a different route).
Between San Jose Comondu and Bahia Concepcion/Hwy. 1 jcn. is the original location of the Comondu mission... called Comondu Viejo after the mission
was moved in 1736 (it was founded in 1708).
Here is the location, near Rancho San Juan and labeled with the letter A... and the blue line shows where it moved (to B). I did the same for the two
La Purisima mission locations, upper left.
On the 1962 map, Comondu Viejo is shown along the old main road (between San Juan and La Presa)...
Jack Swords took some photos at Comondu Viejo...
GPS: 26°16'27.4", -111°43'08.5"
Howard Gulick did as well... in 1956:
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This is a fantastic thread and what makes this site invaluable. The combination of the historic maps and photos bring back memories of crossing the
mountains here in the heat of August to get from coast to coast. Thanks to all who posted this material.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
SW,
I am not familiar with the location of your top picture, but the middle one looks like it is between San Javier and and San Jose Comondu.. The bottom
pic is familiar as it is the way out of Comondu heading north....to a fork up the hill that turns left to San Isidro or right to the "bad road
passing the lake"
I am not interested at this time in exploring the bad road more than the several miles DT and I rode two years ago.
This trip I plan on riding the road north into San Javier from the Lopez Mateos junction...and then to Los Comondus for a sleep or two...and then on
that bottom pic road to San Isidro/La Purisima....and then back to Mula's guest house.
At least that is part of the plan.
Thanks for the pics....here are some out of Comondu past the cemetary/dump to San Isidro:
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I think that's one of my favorite spots on the peninsula....I'd enjoy hearing about the plans for your 2014 excursion....and I might wanna join it.
The top pic is the road coming into Comondu, I had to ride it twice after my buddy's subframe cracked and needed welding. So if you were riding from
San Javier to Comondu, that's what you'd see coming in.
I'm curious to know where the intersection to the northeast lies. I only remember seeing the road we rode and the road you rode as labelled
intersections. The other side roads always seem to end in ranchitos if followed.
Got January dates and what route south are you using? Personally, I really like entering from AZ....but that's just because it has worked so well and
seems to land you in San Felipe for the first night.
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