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Cataviņa Indian Cave Paintings
Finally found the Cataviņa paintings today. Magical place.
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Looking back towards the main highway
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The detail is impressive, wish I understood the meaning
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makes you wonder how many more are out there in that area. same at Pedregoso. it is pretty impressive!
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That food was abundant enough that they had the leisure time to paint them says something about this desert in Baja.
I think the last time we went up there was in 2006, with Baja Angel, Josh, and The Squarecircle:
They are at the top of this boulder hill, looking over where two arroyos meet just north of the Hwy. 1 (sometimes wet) arroyo crossing, 2 miles north
of Cataviņa.
[Edited on 12-21-2013 by David K]
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on a hot summer day it is amazing how much cooler those caves are.
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Very interesting. The paintings are very different than other cave paintings we've seen in Baja. No hand prints, no animals, no larger than life
figures.
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
The detail is impressive, wish I understood the meaning
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Perhaps only meaningful to the artist. Or, perhaps, representative of the old culture as a whole. We'll never know.
Just a thought to be considered ---
What will future populations think of the current Catavina "graffiti" a couple thousand years from now?
Just saying ......
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Montevideo is much like Cataviņa... except no climbing, just drive right to them... signed road, 2 miles south of L.A. Bay highway off road to San
Borja, about 6-7 miles in. Fantastic boojum and desert forest along the way.
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I saw the Cataviņa cave painting!
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It took me while to find it, but we did it! The hike up was beautiful and the paintings really well preserved.
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Great photos!!
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Any idea on the age of these?
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I have the Crosby book at home and will check up on this....how old must they be .......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I have the Crosby book at home and will check up on this....how old must they be ....... |
In the 1997 edition of Crosby, he goes no further north than Montevideo in describing cave art sites.
The estimated age of the paintings in Central Baja range from 500 to 1000 years, depending on the site.
A wooden peg at Cueva Pintada (Sierra de San Francisco) was radiocarbon dated to be 530 years old +/- 80 years. Dr. Bill Massey had similar dating for
cave art near Comondú. A super nova was painted (Crab Nebula) in Arroyo del Parral of the Sierra de San Francisco, and that occurred almost 1000 years
ago (July, 1054 A.D.).
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Indians? Amerindians? Maybe, but some paint pigments come in about 7300 years before present. Not many Indians around then. The rock overhang
(shelter) near Lake Chapala has age dated travelers/visitors off and on for the last 10,000 years. A whole lot of early people came here by boat --
don't say we'll never know because science is sneaking up closer to the answer every day.
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The Pericú tribes of the cape region are sometimes considered to be more polynesian, than Native American. Then there is a thought that the more
'European' look of some Pericú had to do with English pirates 'seeing' the local population 200 years before the Jesuits were occupying the
peninsula...?
EDIT: See post by bajalera: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=42759
[Edited on 12-21-2013 by David K]
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Love post about the "Pinturas" of Baja. Thanks for sharing!
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Very cool!
Dave
I moved to CO and they made me buy a little rod to make it feel like a real fish
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I never heard of Montevideo, guess that is the next destination!
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