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Ken Cooke
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Jeeps vs. Toyotas on Basketball Hill
It's gonna be interesting. The Rubicon Owners of CA are returning to Baja in 3 weeks - tackling some mighty challenges along the Pole Line Road. My
friend Michael just purchased an entire rearend for his Jeep - specially for this trip! He'll now have a Detroit Locker along with high count splined
Cromolly Alloy Axle Shafts! This Jeep is gonna own Basketball Hill! I'm gonna admit - the Toyotas will cross the Laguna Salada
fastest - unless there's mud, and then, our winches will pull the Toys out of that muck the fastest...
Seriously, Its gonna be a blast - I can't even wait...Who even cares about Christmas!
Rubicon Owners of CA official Baja Link:
Rubicon Owners of CA in Baja - Dec 18-22
-Ken
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bajalou
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Sounds like a great run - wish I was there
No Bad Days
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\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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Ken Cooke
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Our last day will be spent in San Felipe, drinking down Pacificos and eating up all of the Lobster and Shrimp in town.
-Ken
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woody with a view
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hope your trip is as great as the anticipation! i'm going through a similar situation 
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TMW
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I think the way to test the metal of a jeep would be to take a ride up or down (either way) over the summit, south summit and El Mono. I know of one
Toyota thats done it.
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Ken Cooke
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In march, our club did El Mano I believe. It was paved partially in concrete before dipping into a canyon. Then, there are several boulders in the trail before it dead ended?? That's what we did. David K led us down this
trail that turned downright nasty. But, one of our club members has a Rubicon-Express lifted Rubicon w/35" MT/Rs and made easy work of the largest
boulders down there. I high-centered on my front u-joint/differential and had to stack plenty of rocks to get up and over - I have 33" tars! It was
so much fun, that we're gonna do it again!
-Ken
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David K
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Oh Ken, please... I am so happy you are loving your Jeep Wrangler Rubicon... BUT, talk nice about the Japanese rigs that go along with you guys...
because YOU know we have our own story to tell! HA!!!
I am planning to go. But, not to show you how to climb basketball hill with my Tacoma (so named for the size of the rocks on the road). Instead to see
the remains of the cobblestone paved road that followed the WWII telegraph line America installed to communicate with our radar base in San Felipe
(watching for Jap subs and invading ships heading for Yuma)!
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Ken Cooke
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David,
How about videotaping the various vehicles traveling up Basketball Hill for the website? That will be a blast. Either way, it'll be a rich experience for all of us Taco & Rubi drivers! Oh, I can't wait!
-Ken
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TMW
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Excellent piece by Neal Johns in the Discover Baja newsletter on your jeep website. I must have missed it when it came out. Some friends and I rode
that route on motorcycles a couple of times in the early 90s. As I remember the route we took near the water fall was a cow trail up the hill to the
left not to the right as Neal did. Over the hill we went into a second wash where we had to carry the bikes a short ways then onto another short road
and over rocks into the main wash.
I never saw where I thought a truck could get through that section, but we never spent much time exploring the area to see.
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Neal Johns
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TW, I think that was a Jeep road once, but for the last 20 years it is just good for bikes. I hiked it and said no way for my Land Cruiser! Much too
sidehilly. 
The Pole Line (and road) bypassed this problem on the right a couple of miles before the Junction.
My motto:
Never let a Dragon pass by without pulling its tail!
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The squarecircle
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Pole Line Road
Greetings TW & Ken Cooke, My Bronco II (first year for the toy bronc) went up Basketball Hill in 2 Wheel drive Some 20 yrs ago when it was really
hard. From the pictures, it looks pretty smooth now. Same vehicle did cow trail and the middle Sumit. Sumit was done at night up and back down. Yea
Ford! Toyotas are even better! Now --Can I go on your tour? -sq.-
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TMW
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Sq. You are always welcome. Just don't forget the beer. Speaking of the summit. I rode a Honda CT110 trail bike up and over it going east to west
(reverse direction) and I thought it was much easier. I couldn't understand why Score wouldn't race that way. During races I always thought the
hardest part of the summit was that long rocky uphill about 1/2 mile from the cattle guard where it started. There always seemed to be a lot of big
rocks in my way.
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Ken Cooke
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Just 2 more weeks until the fun...
As always, I am having vehicle problems - my Rubicon is in the shop having a diagnostic job at the moment. The 'CHeck Engine' light keeps coming on.
I also hope to get a rear tire carrier in place for this trip.
BRING LOTS OF FIREWOOD! WE'RE GONNA NEED IT!!!
-Ken
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Just 2 more weeks until the fun...
As always, I am having vehicle problems - my Rubicon is in the shop having a diagnostic job at the moment. The 'CHeck Engine' light keeps coming on.
-Ken |
First a Ford, now a Jeep... When will you listen to Neal Johns (like I did), and get a Toyota??? 114,000 miles on my 2001 and it is still awesome!!!
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Ken Cooke
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Suzanne's planning on selling the Wrangler YJ and buying a Liberty. The trouble with Toyotas is they're so durned expensive!
-Ken
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David K
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AMEN TO THAT BROTHER STEPHEN!
Ken, how cheap was it owning that last American made rig? What fun was it breaking down at 8,000 feet in the San Pedro Martir? Yes, that did get
mentioned in Graham's 3rd book, as he was up there with his dogs then. But, was it worth all you guys went through to get mentioned?
How cheap is it to worry that your brand new American rig is already in the shop, 2 weeks before the next event.
Well, like I said, I just took Neal Johns advice and noted most of the Baja Amigos were driving Tacomas and nobody complained...
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Ken Cooke
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David,
Sorry, but I cannot justify spending 2X the amount on a vehicle when:
1) We don't have the money
2) Suzanne grew up in Michigan and remembers when Chevy pulled out of Flint, MI.
3) The price of 2 brand new Libertys w/similar warranty equals the price of 1 USED 4Runner with 35,000 miles on it!!!
As for my Rubicon - it had a faulty gas cap that set off the 'check engine' light. Dealership work covered under warranty - as would be the 4:1 ROC
Trac transfer case, dual electric lockers, front/rear disc brakes, 4.10 diffs, etc...
Suzanne is gonna buy her American Libby - the dealership is 1 block away from our house, we'll get free oil changes and diagnostics for the first
36,000 mi. and she'll know she didn't contribute to our warped U.S. Trade Deficit
-Ken
[Edited on 12-4-2004 by Ken Cooke]
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Ken Cooke
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New departure time & additional info has been added to the Pole Line Road link:
Read it, or get left behind!
Official Pole Line Baja 4WD Trip
-Ken
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4baja
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ken, alot of these toys are made in the good ol USA by americans. alot of the problems that US manufactures had in the early days was they built pure
junk and alot of peaple went to jap vehicals. i for one one own a 2001 toyota tacoma built and a new tundra. with 90,000 miles on it the only problem
i have every had was that the cd player stopped working from all the dust and vibration from those dusty baja dirt roads. would love to run my grizzly
quad with you guys down there but will be at the 7 sisters then. have fun
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bajalou
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Made in the USA???
Got to be careful with the "Made in the USA" remarks. I for one don't consider Toronto as in the USA. and as for the Tacoma here is some info.
(from Toyota websites)
NUMMI - New United Meotor Manufacturing Inc - factory in Fremont CA since 1984.
NUMMI began producing a truck, originally called the Hilux, in 1991. Four years later, the Hilux was redesigned and re-named the Tacoma. NUMMI now
produces over 163,000 Tacomas a year.
NUMMI builds 17 models of the award-winning Tacoma, including a PreRunner Double Cab, 4x4 Double Cab, 4x2 Xtracab, PreRunner Xtracab, 4x4 Xtracab,
S-Runner, 4x2 Regular Cab, PreRunner Regular Cab and 4x4 Regular Cab.
Mexico factory starts
In September, Toyota Motor Manufacturing de Baja California (TMMBC) began manufacturing truck beds to be used in vehicle assembly both at TMMBC and
New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI) ? a joint venture of Toyota and General Motors in Fremont, California. When TMMBC begins assembling the
Tacoma in December 2004, the plant will have a total annual capacity of 180,000 truck beds and 30,000 Tacoma pickup trucks, and will employ about 700
asociados.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Alabama, Inc. (TMMAL) plans to boost its annual V8 engine production capacity to 270,000 units from the current 120,000
units. V8 engines will go to the Tundra full-size pickup and Sequoia SUV produced in Indiana and to Tundras to be built at Toyota's upcoming San
Antonio, Texas plant. Also planned is a new production line that will raise TMMAL's annual engine output to 400,000 units in 2006, including V6
engines from mid-2005. V6 engines will be used in the Tundra, as well as in the Tacoma produced in Fremont California and Baja California, Mexico. The
US$250 million additional investment will expand Toyota's North American annual engine production capacity to 1.44 million units in 2006.
So you can feel good about a Tacoma as coming from Calif - Alto or Baja
I haven't owned a Toyota for about 20 years.
[Edited on 12-7-2004 by bajalou]
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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