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Family terrorized by taser-wielding, tire-slashing border agents
Family terrorized by taser-wielding, tire-slashing border agents
"They just seem to think they can do whatever they want and bully everybody around."
Posted on April 2, 2014 by PSUSA in News
"THREE POINTS, AZ — A mother says that while driving her children home from school on a dirt road in Arizona, she was stopped by lawless Border Patrol
agents who threatened her with weapons, forcibly searched her, slashed her tire and left her stranded in the desert.
Clarisa Christiansen had just picked up her 7-year-old daughter from elementary school, and was traveling down a backcountry road. She also had her
5-year-old son in the truck. All three are U.S. citizens that reside in Three Points, Arizona, about 40 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border.
Border Patrol agents. (Source: Getty Images)
Border Patrol agents. (Source: Getty Images)
The family was completing the 15-mile journey when they were stopped by a group of 3 federal agents performing a roving border patrol stop. The stop
took place about 2:15 p.m. on May 21st, 2013.
Ms. Christiansen was then approached by one of the agents, as she sat parked in the driver’s seat with her children strapped in the back seat. The
agent began to question her. First she was asked if she was a U.S. citizen. She responded affirmatively, “Yes. Is there a problem?”
The agent peered into her windows and observed her children strapped helplessly in the back seat. The agent then requested that she exit her vehicle
so that he could search it, according to the account provided in an ACLU document. Christiansen declined, saying she did not consent to searches.
She requested to know why she was stopped. The agent refused to tell her, and kept demanding that she exit. As the two went back and forth, the
agent became “clearly agitated” at her exercising her rights.
“You’re not going anywhere….This one’s being difficult. Get the Taser.”
“I was put in a situation where I was in the middle of nowhere,” Christiansen later narrated. “Three agent men against one woman with her two
children in the middle of the desert, where nobody’s around, they could have done anything to me and my kids.
Ms. Christiansen then stated that if there was no reason for stopping her that she would be on her way. She began to put her vehicle in gear.
The agent stopped her. “Whoa, whoa, whoa. You’re not going nowhere,” the agent said according to Christiansen. He told the other 2 agents, “This
one’s being difficult. Get the Taser.”
“Ma’am, do I need to tase you to get you out of your vehicle?” the CBP agent asked, after opening her door.
The argument continued. Christiansen feared for the safety of her children. “Mommy what’s going on?” they asked.
The agent then whipped out a retractable knife and threatened to cut her out of the vehicle. He forced his hand into her car and snatched her keys
from the ignition.
The tire that was found slashed when border patrol drove away. (Source: YouTube)
The tire that was found slashed when border patrol drove away. (Source: YouTube)
Ms. Christiansen had no choice but to exit the vehicle. The agents made her show them her papers and ran checks on her. The entire stop dragged on
for 35 minutes. Then, without saying a word, the agents left.
When Christiansen tried to drive away, she noticed that one of her tires had been sliced open along the firewall. Her family was left stranded in the
desert. “They slashed my tire,” she said. “It was a pretty obvious slash, straight cut on the side wall.”
With no one else around for miles, Christiansen had to contact a family member to come and help them. Later, she followed up with a complaint to the
agency.
Richard Hill, one of the DHS officials who “investigated” her incident, told her he believed the tire had been “torn” and not intentionally cut. He
disclosed the name of one agent who was present at the scene as “Agent Laguna.”
“They just seem to think they can do whatever they want and bully everybody around,” said Christiansen. “It’s just not right. It’s just not right.
They scared me. They scared my kids. They changed my view on basically the way I look at them now.”
Photos and video at: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/border-patrol-slashed-tir...
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Heck of a Tale !
Where's the Proof that it's anything else ?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Where's the Proof that it's anything else ? |
"according to the account provided in an ACLU document. Christiansen declined, saying she did not consent to searches."
The ACLU documentation is generally not initiated unless they are very certain of their sources.
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Driving her kids home from school, it says... 15 miles drive, it says... Daily 30 mile dirt road drive seems odd. But, Border Patrol would know her if
that was a standard daily route. As a law enforcement officer he asked her to step out and she refused.... WHY? It was day time... other officers were
there. How does that show her kids how to act when law enforcement is trying to do its job?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Driving her kids home from school, it says... 15 miles drive, it says... Daily 30 mile dirt road drive seems odd. But, Border Patrol would know her if
that was a standard daily route. As a law enforcement officer he asked her to step out and she refused.... WHY? It was day time... other officers were
there. How does that show her kids how to act when law enforcement is trying to do its job? |
I refuse also David. This is fourth amendment stuff and I refuse to have my person or vehicle searched particularly on a roving stop, I also refuse to
be interrogated in my country.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Driving her kids home from school, it says... 15 miles drive, it says... Daily 30 mile dirt road drive seems odd. But, Border Patrol would know her if
that was a standard daily route. As a law enforcement officer he asked her to step out and she refused.... WHY? It was day time... other officers were
there. How does that show her kids how to act when law enforcement is trying to do its job? |
Ever read the
4th amendment? Some people object to unconstitutional searches and invoke their rights.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
How does that show her kids how to act when law enforcement is trying to do its job? |
..."in Almeida-Sanchez v. United States,281 the Court held that a warrantless stop and search of defendant's automobile on a highway some 20 miles
from the border by a roving patrol lacking probable cause to believe that the vehicle contained illegal aliens violated the Fourth Amendment."
She is admirably teaching her children how to respond to an illegal excess of a display of authority.
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Well it must be Gospel if the ACLU says so....What no crosses to tear down this week?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kboy24
Well it must be Gospel if the ACLU says so....What no crosses to tear down this week?:LOL: |
Only crosses on public land. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
How does that show her kids how to act when law enforcement is trying to do its job? |
..."in Almeida-Sanchez v. United States,281 the Court held that a warrantless stop and search of defendant's automobile on a highway some 20 miles
from the border by a roving patrol lacking probable cause to believe that the vehicle contained illegal aliens violated the Fourth Amendment."
She is admirably teaching her children how to respond to an illegal excess of a display of authority. |
How do you know he didn't have cause? Maybe she is from a hippie commune and had a joint in the ash tray? Cops don't harass mothers taking their kids
home from school for no reason.
On her defense, I will say this latest group of federal agents from this administration have been way strange and unlike typical adult behavior for
Border Parol or Customs...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
How does that show her kids how to act when law enforcement is trying to do its job? |
..."in Almeida-Sanchez v. United States,281 the Court held that a warrantless stop and search of defendant's automobile on a highway some 20 miles
from the border by a roving patrol lacking probable cause to believe that the vehicle contained illegal aliens violated the Fourth Amendment."
She is admirably teaching her children how to respond to an illegal excess of a display of authority. |
How do you know he didn't have cause? Maybe she is from a hippie commune and had a joint in the ash tray? Cops don't harass mothers taking their kids
home from school for no reason.
On her defense, I will say this latest group of federal agents from this administration have been way strange and unlike typical adult behavior for
Border Parol or Customs... |
Maybe she was a right-wing neocon science denying gun loving war mongering christian fundamentalist anti gay rights................I should stop now.
Starting to sound a little clueless. 
Whatever she was/is she has a right as written in the constitution to deny an unwarranted search of her vehicle.
"...this administration..."
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (signed by President Bush on December 17, 2004) authorized hiring an additional 10,000
agents, "subject to appropriation". This authorization nearly doubled the Border Patrol manpower from 11,000 to 20,000 agents by 2010.[14] At the same
time, the number of illegals caught dropped from 1.2 million in 2005 to 541,000 in 2009.
In July 2005, Congress signed the Emergency Supplemental Spending Act for military operations in Iraq/Afghanistan and other operations. The act also
appropriated funding to increase Border Patrol manpower by 500 Agents. In October 2005, President Bush also signed the DHS FY06 [fiscal year 2006]
Appropriation bill, funding an additional 1,000 agents.[citation needed]
In November 2005, President George W. Bush made a trip to southern Arizona to discuss more options that would decrease Mexicans crossings at the U.S.
and Mexican border. In his proposed fiscal year 2007 budget, he requested an additional 1,500 Border Patrol Agents.[citation needed]
The Secure Fence Act, signed by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2006, has met with much opposition. In October 2007, environmental groups and
concerned citizens filed a restraining order hoping to halt the construction of the fence, set to be built between the United States and Mexico. The
act mandates that the fence be built by December 2008. Ultimately, the United States seeks to put fencing around the 1,945-mile (3,130 km) border, but
the act requires only 700 miles (1,100 km) of fencing. DHS secretary Michael Chertoff has bypassed environmental and other oppositions with a waiver
that was granted to him by Congress in Section 102 of the act, which allows DHS to avoid any conflicts that would prevent a speedy assembly of the
fence.[15][16]
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This chain is why I skip every entry that David K posts.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
This chain is why I skip every entry that David K posts. |
there should be an app for it!
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Funny how I just give one possible reason the officer requested the lady to exit the car... and all of a sudden her civil rights were violated. I bet
every drug dealer in jail says the same thing.
So, all of you refuse to exit your car when an armed officer asks you to? Really?
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It's not just the southern border
By Colin Woodard
Old Town, Me.
Six miles north of the University of Maine's flagship campus, on the only real highway in these parts, students and professors traveling south might
encounter a surprise: a roadblock manned by armed Border Patrol agents, backed by drug-sniffing dogs, state policemen, and county sheriff's deputies.
Although the Canadian border is nearly 100 miles behind them—and Bangor, Maine's second-largest city, just 15 miles ahead—motorists are queried about
their citizenship and immigration status. Those who raise an agent's suspicions are sent to an adjacent weigh station for further questioning and,
sometimes, searches. Any foreign students or scholars unable to produce all of their original documentation are detained and could be arrested.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection says it can stop travelers anywhere within 100 miles of a U.S. border. It has an aggressive presence in Rochester,
N.Y., where agents questioned travelers at a bus station on Christmas Eve.
Cary M. Jensen is director of the International Services Office at the U. of Rochester, where hundreds of students have been questioned or
inconvenienced: "It feels a lot like East Germany did when I visited in 1980."
But elsewhere on the northern border, foreign students and scholars experience fear and uncertainty every time they leave campus, pick up a friend at
the bus station, or board a domestic train or flight, even when they have all their documents with them.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection has greatly increased its manpower along the northern border, allowing for more-frequent use of roving patrols or
surprise checkpoints on buses, trains, and highways far from the border itself. Students who failed to carry their original documents have been
delayed and fined, apprehended even when they're just a few miles from campus.
"Border Patrol sometimes interprets immigration regulations differently than Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration
Services do," says Ellen A. Dussourd, director of international student and scholar services at the University at Buffalo. "This causes a lot of
difficulty for international student and scholar offices when they need to advise their international students and scholars about travel in the U.S."
'Temporary Permanent'
Customs and Border Protection officials did not make themselves available for an interview, despite repeated requests. A written statement ignored
questions on the topic, instead providing general commentary on the purpose of internal checkpoints. "CBP Border Patrol agents conduct these types of
operations periodically in key locations that serve as conduits for human and narcotics smuggling," the statement said. "These operations serve as a
vital component to our overall border security efforts and help sustain security efforts implemented in recent years."
Customs and Border Protection also maintains that it can set up roadblocks—it prefers the term "temporary permanent checkpoints" for legal reasons—and
question people on trains and buses or at transportation stations anywhere within 100 air miles of a U.S. border or seacoast. This broadly defined
border zone encompasses most of the nation's major cities and the entirety of several states, including Florida, Michigan, Hawaii, Delaware, New
Jersey, and five of the six New England states. The American Civil Liberties Union—concerned about the erosion of Fourth Amendment protections against
arbitrary searches and seizures—has called it the "Constitution-Free Zone."
In upstate New York, it's a different story. For reasons that remain unclear, Customs and Border Protection has had an aggressive presence away from
the immediate border, especially around the northern city of Potsdam or in central New York cities like Rochester and Syracuse, which are relatively
far from the nearest border crossings. Area residents say Border Patrol officers maintain a near-constant presence at Rochester's bus station and
frequently question passengers at the airport. They regularly board domestic Amtrak trains passing through the area en route from Chicago to New York,
where they shine flashlights in sleeping passengers' faces.
Foreign students and scholars are often reticent to speak with reporters, but college officials and immigration attorneys in the region described
several hair-raising examples of what they regard as inappropriate and worrisome detentions of members of their community in the past four years.
These include:
•A Pakistani undergraduate at the University of Rochester was pulled off a Trailways bus to Albany in 2007, who thought carrying his student photo ID
was sufficient for a short domestic trip. Mr. Jensen says the student was held for two weeks at a detention facility before he and his family could
appear before a judge and prove they were in the country legally, with an asylum application pending.
•A Chinese student at the State University of New York at Potsdam's Crane School of Music was seized on a domestic Adirondack Trailways bus for lack
of original immigration documents. He was released after a few hours, but a few days later agents came to campus, arrested him, and locked him up for
three weeks at a detention facility several hours away, where inmates nicknamed him Smart Boy. Although the student's change-of-status paperwork was
in order—and was approved while he was in detention—he missed the start of classes and had to leave the institution. "He was very scared, and by the
end of it, his whole demeanor had changed," says Potsdam's international-programs coordinator, Bethany A. Parker-Goeke. "He ended up leaving the
country. His parents wouldn't let him go back to the U.S."
•A University of Rochester doctoral student bound for a conference at Cornell University was taken from a bus and detained for hours at a police
station even though he had all his documentation and was in legal status. Mr. Jensen says the Border Patrol agent didn't understand the student's
paperwork, although it was typical for someone who had changed from a two-year master's degree to a seven-year doctoral program. "We helped clear it
up, but he missed the conference," Mr. Jensen recalls.
•A scholar at an undisclosed institution in Rochester was arrested at the airport while on his way to visit his wife, a student at an institution out
of state. Both had H1B visas, had applied for permanent residence status, and had permission from Citizenship and Immigration Services to live, work,
and travel while their applications were adjudicated, according to their attorney, Mr. Novak. But Customs and Border Protection officers "treated him
like a criminal and threw him in the clink. The wife didn't dare come to pay the bond to get him out because they would throw her in jail, too."
•A Potsdam student was briefly detained last summer while doing turtle research with her professor in a local swamp. "Border Patrol was there asking
for documents," Ms. Parker-Goeke says. "She's in a swamp—she doesn't have her documents." The professor was able to persuade the agents to call the
university to clear up the student's status.
https://chronicle.com/article/Far-From-Canada-Aggressive/125880/
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That I-8 corridor east of Alpine is crawling with border patrol. So much money being wasted, IMHO.
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OMG, the horror, a hippy commune, LOL!
are people who live in hippy communes bad people?
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do all people who live in communes smoke pot, NO they don't.
Gimme a break, what a sterotype!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Funny how I just give one possible reason the officer requested the lady to exit the car... and all of a sudden her civil rights were violated. I bet
every drug dealer in jail says the same thing.
So, all of you refuse to exit your car when an armed officer asks you to? Really? |
Unfortunately not everyone exercises their rights under the fourth amendment and do allow unauthorized searches. Which makes it hard on the next guy.
David try to think of it as being the guy in Tecate that just got stopped by a mordida cop that just took $400 cash American off of the last gringo he
got. It perpetuates the system.
Section 18e of the Border Patrol Agents handbook which they are all given points out that they can look into a vehicle but not enter it, search it or
the driver.
Before xmas Dali-Dali had questioned a post I made calling one (there are many) of the border patrol stops "cash cows" and asked for further
information.
I was on my way out the door for the holiday and just grabbed some stuff from my files, I don't know what all I sent him but the first article is the
illegal Yuma checkpoint.
I heard nothing further from him so guess I answered his question.
Perhaps it will help answer yours, if you need anything further I have extensive files on the problem.
As an aside, the CBP has lost every lawsuit they have had filed against them and cost us taxpayers millions in adjudication and awards to plaintiffs.
Rather like that nutso sheriff in AZ that has cost his county 25 mil (yes 25 MILLION dollars) in lost lawsuits against his administrations actions and
the fools there keep electing him.
Here is what I sent Dali-Dali:
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/jan/20/feature-every...
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-03-13/news/border-patrol...
http://www.examiner.com/article/N-zi-style-tsa-roadside-chec...
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/035360-2008-07-04-ill...
http://www.google.com/search?q=THE+BRUTALITY+AND+MILITARISM+... fficial&client=firefox-a
https://afsc.org/program/san-diego-us-mexico-border-program
http://www.google.com/search?q=FlexYourRights.org&ie=utf...fficial&client=firefox-a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urbtbvG0Fhk
http://www.canoekayak.com/uncategorized/borderline-crazy/
Motoged is right on when he made the statement on BN “I know what the game is and just grin and bear it.....the last list I want my name on is a
border list.”
We are living in a Police State and it will only get worse. The ridiculous stories (a 1/2” pistol on a toy stuffed teddy bear) and it’s repercussions
that I posted last week is an example.
Gotta go, Have a Happy Holiday."
That was on 12-23
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Under Bush, it was used to protect Americans from terrorists.
Under Obama, it is used to terrorize Americans and grow the government. |
I was told by a BP agent that the BP has almost complete immunity by law within 50 miles of the border in regards to the constitutional rights of any
person in that zone.
I don't trust the BP and view them as the Gestapo with no adequate review or oversight. This is based on 2 experiences I have with them.
Too bad we all don't have cameras in our cars to capture the encounters. But then, the incident would have been taken care of with a settlement of a
few thousand dollars and a gag stipulation before the ACLU got involved (or confiscation of the camera)
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