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vacaenbaja
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Commercial Fishing pressure at BOLA
Has anyone heard that that there is a rising concern amongst
the panga fishing guides that the commercial fleet is
wiping out the fish before they even reach the bay. Also that
the commercial catch size is mostly comprised of smaller fish?
Last year when I was there I heard complaints that the
commercial fleet was north of the bay wrapping up all of the
large fish before they ever made their way down to the bay.
[Edited on 4-28-2014 by vacaenbaja]
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Mula
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I don't know about BOLA but in Lopez there is talk of a sport fishing co-operative to control the sport fishers.
Fishing is changing - both commercial and sport in Mexico.
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well, the commercial fishing pressure has changed things very much over the past 80 years, concern this year is about the same as concern 50 years
ago, just a different spin on same-old-same-old. the damage was done many decades ago, and continues on, due to unrelenting fishing pressure.
current fishermen are just chasing whatever swims/sells in a damaged ecosytem. Fish one economic species until it is mostly gone, then fish the next
economic species, repeat when necessary.
For an interesting history of fishing pressures/changes in SOC, you should read this recent (2014) book: Telling Our Way to the Sea: A Voyage of
Discovery in the Sea of Cortez; by Aaron Hirsh
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Not that any of us can do much about it but grumbling is a good start. The problem is with the dialogue >> what kind of commercial fishing? If
the grumblers drive charter pangas for sport fishing, do they (you) mean huge seiners taking millions of tons of every kind of fish in the sea or does
the term include larger charter boats or perhaps special pangas using hooks, longlines and/or nets (those who sell the fish to commercial buyers)?
Too many synacdoches muddies already murky water all over the SOC where and as the pressure moves.
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vacaenbaja
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Unfortunately for BOLA Sportfishing is the life blood of the town. Not much
doing in ranching or agriculture. Not enough water for that or expansion.
I hope they get a grip on their resouce management.
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I think the culprits are the huge seiners taking the millions of tons of everything that swims. No limits. Just quotas. I bet if the SOC was closed
to the seiners for a few years, the fishing would come back gangbusters. It has happened on the Calif coast, with halibut, white sea bass, and now
the rockfish. Even the panga guys like Pompano posted a while ago with truckloads of Sierra couldn't make a dent if the seiners were shut out. My
20 centavos worth. 
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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Every one likes to point at the other guy, and say there is the problem . when we all must look in in mirror and say what can i do to help. Helping
with conservation or legislation. it is very frustrating in baja with no enforcement of the law. no answer here just me trying to see the big picture
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Brian, I don't think there is a freediver mirror or a tin boat mirror. I think the factory ships are the culprits and if we all focus on that, make
our voices heard, (given the legal and legitimate platform) it might help the fishery in ways we can't even imagine.
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right on, Qsprey.
now, how to get started affecting change?
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I know most of you do your fishing from a boat so the concern you have is just. However many in the SOC remember when you could catch shore fish
without any effort. The local gill nets have made that a quest now.
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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If this type of pressure is just getting to BOLA you should consider yourself lucky you have missed the netters this long. We get the pleasure of
hearing trawlers all night long way too many times per month in front and INSIDE the Cabo Pulmo Marine Park.
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The only thing more distressing than guys like freediverbrian equating the sportfishers with the commercial fishermen is the effects of the commercial
fishermen themselves.........if that makes any sense.
We sporties could probably take ten times our limits and still not scratch the surface of the effects of the commercials.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
The only thing more distressing than guys like freediverbrian equating the sportfishers with the commercial fishermen is the effects of the commercial
fishermen themselves.........if that makes any sense.
We sporties could probably take ten times our limits and still not scratch the surface of the effects of the commercials. |
every little bit counts.
think global, act local.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by freediverbrian
Every one likes to point at the other guy, and say there is the problem . when we all must look in in mirror and say what can i do to help.
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Absolutely agree with you.
The fact that one form of fishing removes more fish than the other does not mean that sport fishermen shouldn't practice conservation. And none of
those guides do.
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It's up to the individual to do the right thing. Stick to the limits and don't take more than you can use. Some for the freezer, for later, as long
as you're within the limits is acceptable I believe. 
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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trawlers fish rockfish,gill netters fish halibut and white seabass.Seiners take a lot but not these.
10%
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Brilliant policy. Subsidize the net boats, and expand into the entire SOC; while at the same time promote tourism. The tourist spends thousands of
dollars to come down here to catch a few game fish, and is disappointed, and will not come back to his overpriced hotel room on the corridor, or to
the overpriced taxis and restaurants.
They are interrupting the food chain, and eventually even the Marlin and Sailfish will stop coming into SOC. (Not to mention the huge mess they create
with the puffer fish bi-kill, and the trash they throw from the boats).
The harder I work, the luckier I get
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grizzlyfsh95
Brilliant policy. Subsidize the net boats, and expand into the entire SOC; while at the same time promote tourism. The tourist spends thousands of
dollars to come down here to catch a few game fish, and is disappointed, and will not come back to his overpriced hotel room on the corridor, or to
the overpriced taxis and restaurants.
They are interrupting the food chain, and eventually even the Marlin and Sailfish will stop coming into SOC. (Not to mention the huge mess they create
with the puffer fish bi-kill, and the trash they throw from the boats). |
Amen, brutha, amen.
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When I commented on this thread it was not my intention to start a us against them war of words . Or to sound like a ex-fish killer smoker,
drinker,ect holier than thou," now I have found the light".No , I wanted to to just raise a question about a problem we all can see in the depletion
of our fisheries. It is not a question i pretend to have the answers to . But with some discussion and a little conservation we can effect a change.
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Brian, you care and you let forum members know you wish things would change. That's more than a reason to post your thoughts here. The dialogue you
started has us all asking questions about how we see it, what we know about it, what can be done. Don't stop.
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