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briantroy
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Making Bait
I am not a fisherman, but I am looking into giving it a try this fall in the BOLA and Loreto areas. In my research, I have heard the term "making
bait" and I am curious what that means. Is it simply catching small fish to catch bigger fish with? If so, how do you do it? Nets? Small lures? Some
sort of trap?
I have a 10 foot dinghy with an outboard I plan on using towing down. I'm not much of a sailor, so I don't plan on going out very far and I am not
interested in going way out for big monster fish. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
These endless lands and unique waters are not simply soil and sea. These elements of earth and water are as much a part of me as my blood and organs.
And the people that populate this corner of the world lift my spirit to heights that allow me to see what is truly important; The beauty of life. And
that is the essential gift.
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amigobaja
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the best advice i can give you is to leave your boat home and hire the locales to take you out. on your own you probably won't be able to know what
small fish the bigger ones will eat and if you don't have an idea where those big ones might be you will just waist your time and bait. the sea of
cortes gets real big out there even staying in close. you will learn so much from the locales so fast it will be a cheap and fun learning experience .
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briantroy
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I thought about that. But, I am going to bring my boat anyway because it is so much fun to just spend a day exploring the coast, even if I am not
fishing. Maybe I will hire a panga the first day just to see how the locals do it. But, I still need to know how to get bait fish. Should I buy a net,
trap, small lures?
These endless lands and unique waters are not simply soil and sea. These elements of earth and water are as much a part of me as my blood and organs.
And the people that populate this corner of the world lift my spirit to heights that allow me to see what is truly important; The beauty of life. And
that is the essential gift.
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willardguy
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east coast fisherman get a huge kick out of terms like "making bait", its the equivalent of "doing lunch"! 
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willardguy
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and forget bait, alive or dead, a couple hard baits will suffice!
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redhilltown
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What is probably meant here is sabiki rigs or "Lucky Joes"...they are hooks and line you can buy ready to go. Captains usually have an "idea" where
they bait is and you drop down these rigs to catch small mackerel or other bait fish...hoist them into the boat and put them in a bait tank.
Live bait dropped deep or even slow trolling is deadly...in the good sense of the word but as Amigo said, you really need to know what you are doing
or it is a waste of time. Time is usually limited on trips and yes you can drop and drop and drop with with your own gear and knowledge...or go with
the guys who live there and have been doing it all their lives.
Your first line is "I am not a fisherman"...which is great! But you just have to balance the bang for the buck...and time. Do you want to catch fish
or do you want to try your hand at trying to catch fish? Both are fine...I'd rather be on the Cortez trying to find fish than dealing with traffic in
Los Angeles...but when I can get away I want to maximize my time and efforts.
If you have the time and want to experiment then go for it... but if not, trust the locals.
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I just dont think you have the boat to really take advantage of live bait.
Sure, it's the best thing to fish with and you might get lucky on a big one close to shore, but that's a longshot.
Pull hard baits or fish with cut baits, on that boat of yours.
But for more serious action, I agree with the guy who says rent for the first few times. Find another guy or two on the beach who is willing to split
the cost of the rental.
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briantroy
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Thanks for the info guys. I will forget about "making bait" and just use hard baits. If I feel like catching anything I will rent a panga. My only
plan is relaxing and enjoying the scenery, so I will have fun cruising around and dropping in a line just for kicks. Who knows, maybe I will actually
catch dinner and get into the whole fishing thing!
These endless lands and unique waters are not simply soil and sea. These elements of earth and water are as much a part of me as my blood and organs.
And the people that populate this corner of the world lift my spirit to heights that allow me to see what is truly important; The beauty of life. And
that is the essential gift.
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Santiago
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Get a bunch of rubber curly tails. about 2 or 3 inches long and a dozen jig head hooks. Go out from the shore until you can't see the bottom and drop
the jig until it hits the bottom. Reel up a few feet and "get jiggy with it". 10 or 12 pound spinning outfit is fine. You will get small bass and
other things. Every once in a while something bigger will come along, grab it and swim off. You will be powerless to stop it.
What you decide to do about this will determine the course of the rest of your life. You will either shrug your shoulders and motor around to enjoy
the water or you will wonder what the heck that was, decide to get a little bigger rod and reel, go back to see if you can catch it.
If the former, I pity you as a man of no curiosity. If the later, I pity you as I know how your life will change.
MTFBWY
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Skipjack Joe
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.... and if the latter, I pity your wife. Lol
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Catching live bait is what they are referring to and is usually used for the bigger species like Pacific Yellowtail, Dorado, Billfish (Marilin and
Sailfish), Grouper, Cabrilla, Baqueta, and the like. These are normally found further from shore than you will be accessing and require tanks and
plumbing to keep the bait alive until you use it.
I suggest you get a copy of "The Baja Catch" by Kelley and Kira and while that is an outdated book, it is still a treasure chest of information and
will get you started as to what happens closer to shore, which is where you will be most active. There is a whole world of basses, trigger fish,
corvina, and assorted other fishes that live close to shore that not only provide some great dinners, but will allow you to experience a part of what
goes on beneath the surface.
If you are camping, the golden spot of the peninsula for small boats is San Lucas Cove just south of Santa Rosalia because it is a protected cove
that allows safe launching and return. In the immediate area are lots of in shore fish that will delight and provide you with many fun filled hours.
One of the local fishermen there, John Bogert, has fished that area for a long time with a small aluminum boat and has shown many fishermen how to
find a wide variety of fish.
I say that Kira's book is a little outdated, but it is still full of priceless information. Skipjack Joe's son had a well worn copy and before he
could even read he would come over to my campsite and tell me what species would do best with what lure. He sounded like a totally well informed
fisherman which was made all the more wonderful because he had not learned how to read, but sure knew the species and their preferred baits.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by SantiagoWhat you decide to do about this will determine the course of the rest of your life. You will either
shrug your shoulders and motor around to enjoy the water or you will wonder what the heck that was, decide to get a little bigger rod and reel, go
back to see if you can catch it. If the former, I pity you as a man of no curiosity. If the later, I pity you as I know how your life will change.
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Brian, I too am not a 'great white fisherman', and am out there solely for the enjoyment of fishing. I've never used 'live' bait, have used
'cut-bait' before, but for the last 3 years used almost exclusively a 5/8 oz. Krokodile Blue Herring spoon, one treble hook (w/ barbs bent down) and
can categorically state I've caught over 40 species of fish with it, including a 56+ lb. Roosterfish, a much larger Manta Ray (wasn't able to weigh
it), 21 lb. Halibut, large yellowtail, grouper, etc, etc, with not expensive poles and reels w/ varying test poundage. Also, in three years, I've
never been skunked, NOT ONCE.
Ain't what you use, it's how you use it (so i'm told anyway). I do recommend using a fish-finder and most importantly, talk to the locals of where
you're at, get hints, and watch. Learn a few basic techniques; rubber wigglers are great too. For cut-bait, my fave was Barracuda; very oily and
holds together well if you keep it chilled. Also, if fishing is real slow, I've found that chewing on the inside of your left cheek instead of your
right can help in emergencies, including switching from Pacifico to TKT.
Happy trails... er, wakes. Now go rip some lips!
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Get a bunch of rubber curly tails. about 2 or 3 inches long and a dozen jig head hooks. Go out from the shore until you can't see the bottom and drop
the jig until it hits the bottom. Reel up a few feet and "get jiggy with it". 10 or 12 pound spinning outfit is fine. You will get small bass and
other things. Every once in a while something bigger will come along, grab it and swim off. You will be powerless to stop it.
What you decide to do about this will determine the course of the rest of your life. You will either shrug your shoulders and motor around to enjoy
the water or you will wonder what the heck that was, decide to get a little bigger rod and reel, go back to see if you can catch it.
If the former, I pity you as a man of no curiosity. If the later, I pity you as I know how your life will change.
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Do this ! $40.00 medium action Ugly Stik from Walmart , cheap Spinning reel that will hold 150-200 yards of 12 Lb. line (don't get the reel wet) , go
to a tackle store of pester someone you know who fishes to teach you a couple of knots and how to set the drag .
Get on the water , dump something over the side .... and have fun !
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Skipjack Joe
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^^^^ What he said ^^^^
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redhilltown
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Slider sinker, a chunk of squid, and a smallish hook and you WILL catch dinner.
Might lose a few rigs but...
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bajabuddha
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
Slider sinker, a chunk of squid, and a smallish hook and you WILL catch dinner.
Might lose a few rigs but... |
Das'sa no chit, Cherlock... but if you're in to a leetle Sabor Del Italiano, try a bit of pepperoni instead of squid on the hook... just don'na grab
whateva comes up... dassa what needle-nose, water-pump pliers, an'a hemostats are for...
Molto bello, bona gusto!! Don' forget da vino.
(Alla you Coloridiots know dere's-a more dan one use-a for hemostats.......)
[Edited on 6-15-2014 by bajabuddha]
[Edited on 6-15-2014 by bajabuddha]
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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All the fishing information above is good. Have fun, but as someone unfamiliar with the Sea of Cortez, watch the wind. It comes up quick, and can
ruin your day, in a small boat, even fairly close to shore. Crocks or Kastmasters in blue and chrome, usually do the trick. Be safe.
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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If you've never done it before, learning to cast can be rewarding (NOT)
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