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willyAirstream
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Mulegè valley from the air
taken by a friend of a friend about 2 weeks ago
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Nice. Thank you!
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micah202
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.....that sure gives a perspective on the drainage situation 
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Is there anything in those photos that present any confidence that future floods in Mulege can be prevented or diverted?
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We are waiting Tony. Friends went out to the valley yesterday and water was running everywhere, but not in the excavation areas, maybe it soaked in?
The dots you see in the right channel are cactus sitting on 10 ft + high islands, Curious if they will with stand any large amounts of water flow. It
is illegal to remove cactus here.
btw, the heavy rains we are having now are NOT causing any flooding.
On edit.......cactus, not palms
[Edited on 7-6-2014 by willyAirstream]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Is there anything in those photos that present any confidence that future floods in Mulege can be prevented or diverted? |
.impression from the picture.........unfortunately not...if there was somewhere to divert flow,,it's not in the picture.
........that's one huge arroyo that goes through a funnel named Mulege.
edit.....looking at satellite shot on a bigger scale..... -maybe-http://www.maplandia.com/mexico/baja-california-sur/mulege/mulege/ if you put
the westmost farm in the centre of the pic,,,scale to mid-size,,,you'll see a channel that leads S>>N,,,and points towards a -possible-
alternative drainage......but a closer look at the drainage lines there gives me the impression that that's actually yet another drainage -towards-
Mulege.....I can only hope I'm wrong!......
...edit again......a contour map of the region http://www.floodmap.net/Elevation/ElevationMap/?gi=3995236 confirms the above impression...that's one HUGE drainage that makes it's way through
that pretty town,,,,it'd take a dam & diversion the height of the Hwy1 bridge to do anything,,not really any realistic options further up,,,and of
course that option would only create another set of homes in the flowpath
[Edited on 7-5-2014 by micah202]
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The topography of the drainage basin for the Rio Santa Rosalia de Mulege is simply one HUGE catcher's mitt; those pics only show the palm of the
glove. The pics were looking east for only about 5 miles of the valley farmland; to the west into the mountains is another ten times the amount of
catch-basin, and ALL funnels into that very tiny, but very prominent gorge at the mouth. All the earthworks being done will be tested, not if.... but
when.
I truly hope for everyone's sake that the works DO slow and impede the inevitable floods. The geography of the area is such that monster floods will
be an inevitable part of the future of Mulege, and especially for those who build close to the estero.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It looks to me as though the channel they have cut through is to protect the agricultural areas out there by bypassing them and will, if anything,
make the floods worse in town.
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I think Gulliver is right. It looks like they need to slow that water down and spread it out over the ag areas, and let as much as possible perk in.
Looks like they have just greased the chute by creating that channel.
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There are 2 `` ditches`` in the photos. There are 6 to 8 ditches that extend out to the base of the mountains, about 30 miles. They are all this wide
and have 12+ high banks. Let the speculation continue.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by watizname
I think Gulliver is right. It looks like they need to slow that water down and spread it out over the ag areas, and let as much as possible perk in.
Looks like they have just greased the chute by creating that channel. |
I think Gulliver is wrong (nothing personal!). The works to "slow the water down", retain some of it and spread it over a wide area is not visible in
that photo; it is right under the airplane's position and to the SW. I discussed this on a previous thread that's buried here somewhere.
When I "walked the job" with the mex supervisor in April a flow control feature was discussed near where the ice house road crosses the new
cleaned-out arroyo. This feature is key/crucial to metering floodwaters down through the ag area channel and through town. Also crucial is dredging
the estuary channel to increase flow capacity and keep water levels through town lower.
I have not seen any construction of a flow control feature or dredging, maybe those are separate contracts, just speculating on that, always dangerous
to do that on the internot! The supervisor had been staying at the casa just east of the ejido office out on ice house, that's where I met him
before we toured the job, sorry, can't recall his name! I wish I had better info on this muy importante local issue, but that's all I got in April.
It must be obvious to local business owners how much leverage this issue/project has on local property values, real estate trade and tourist business,
would like to hear from Jorge Y or similar, he has more exposure on this than just about anybody! I will try to have a chat with him soon.
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Al ,
I see Jorge daily and he says no one in town knows what the game plan is, nor has the town been consulted. He also said that engineers from Mexico
City were making the calls.
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I hope I'm wrong too. I live on the estuary!!
I wonder how much of the GDP of Mulege depends on gringos these days. I don't even know what percentage of them (us) live in the flood area. Most?
Half? Dunno.
Whether I lived there or not, I'd hate to see the town dry up and blow away.
[Edited on 7-7-2014 by Gulliver]
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...Mulege will never 'dry up and blow away',,,,has a lot more going for it than many other locales.
.....the only things that might get 'blown away' are homes on the riverfront and flood prone areas
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True, it's a special place but I suspect that the local economy would have a hard time without the resident and semi resident gringos and the people
on the way through.
I was away for a few years and was startled by the changes at the Serenedad. When I last was there in maybe 2009, it was jumping. Then came all the
publicity about the violence on the mainland. Came back in 2014 and it was pretty quiet. And now who knows?
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...^^,,,put another way....if all Gringo's dried and blew away,,,,,life in Mulege would only change a little for those native to it
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| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
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...^^,,,put another way....if all Gringo's dried and blew away,,,,,life in Mulege would only change a little for those native to it
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Tru dat. And part of why I keep going back!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MulegeAL
| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
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...^^,,,put another way....if all Gringo's dried and blew away,,,,,life in Mulege would only change a little for those native to it
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Tru dat. And part of why I keep going back! |
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...my favorite trip down baja was the time I took ~5 weeks before getting to Ventana for some kiteboarding,,,and it felt like I hadn't spoken anything
but spanglaish the whole time till then
...us gringo's tend to over-rate our value to that simple rugged land and it's people 
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