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tecatero
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"Impact study" report needed
I am required to get an " impact study" prior to being allowed to build on our land that is in the coastal zone. Heard it can take up to 6
months,,,,,,,,,,?? Anyone been thru this, advice, contacts to get it going or ?? Much appreciated
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Russ
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I really hate this dept and their henchmen!
I purchased a 25 meter extension to my lot and want to put up some kind of wall an a couple small buildings for water storage and a propane tank. away
from my home. The cost for the impact study alone..... $12,000 usd! Get Real!
Good luck with yours. I know Mexicans are not taken advantage of like this. In fact the the ejido member I purchased from had the lot graded with a
grading permit of some sort.
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tecatero
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I keep hearing that number of 12000US,,,,holy crap for what ?? Then i hear if I have some weird native plants on it, I have to pay a certified plant
specialist to relocate the plant......wtf. I also hear if you builddwithout the study you're subject to $25000 fine ??? this sucks
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Russ
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Yep, all true and anything else they want to come up with. So I'm going to use thorny bushes for a perimeter instead of a wall/fence so I'll be less
likely, I hope, to be nailed by PROFEPA. I actually like the idea better. But I guess they could come down on me for moving native plants. Loose/Loose
proposition.
[Edited on 7-9-2014 by Russ]
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tecatero
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PROFEPA names its price or so I hear, some people pay 8000 some 14000,,,,,,lot size doesn't seem to matter, amount of plants,,,,,,etc
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impact fees
can we get some "Facts" about this ?? sounds like agenda 21 has come to Baja !!!
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David K
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Just wondering... you guys did know you are in another country and the rules they play by are quite different than the USA, yes?
I do not agree with the Mexican officials who see you as 'rich gringos' with endless flow of cash to have your dream home on a Baja beach, but just
wondering if you thought there was either justice or fairness for all down there.
Best of luck with your development! When the Baja highway (Mexico One) was constructed between Colonet and Ciudad Constitucion (1968-1973) literally
millions if not billions of plants and forms of life were destroyed as they cleared a huge swath through the desert well beyond the highway width. The
old dirt road was eco-friendly and not one massive cardon or boojum tree was bulldozed for it.
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AguaDulce
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I did one for my coastal property along with another report ($) . where are you building ?
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BooJumMan
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Yeah it's a bummer it costs that much.
The environmental impact assessment luckily halted the construction of that massive hotel on Cabo Pulmo.
So its a check and balance really. If they didn't exist, we probably wouldn't have much left of what we love so much about Baja.
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BajaGringo
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My suggestion? Talk to your neighbors (Mexican) and ask for a referral to a local architect/engineer who has experience in "negotiating" an impact
study requirement.
I also suggest that you DON'T make a lot of noise about it. The more attention you bring on this, the less likely they will be to "negotiate".
That is what the locals do. Well either that or leave it to negotiate later with the idea of it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Typically the fines (if any) that are actually levied are only a fraction of the stated amount. You have to leave your NOB mindset on these matters
behind and do business the way the locals do.
It works...
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tecatero
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I have no problem paying the fee, just wanted some insight as to timeframe, costs etc.......heard it takes up to 6 months to get cleared. PROFEPA is
doing the right thing, but Im well aware how Mex pricing works
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BajaGringo
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When you are willing to "negotiate", quite often that includes the process being simplified and the time frame being shortened as well. I have seen
these things get done in less than 90 days and others that have taken more than 3 years and you won't like the final decision after the long wait to
boot.
After banging my head against the wall a few times down here I finally accepted that I was not going to re-invent the wheel.
You choose.
[Edited on 7-9-2014 by BajaGringo]
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BajaBlanca
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Sage advice. Take a deep breath or two. Talk to the neighbors. I don't recommend doing anything without the EIR. It will come back at you one day.
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805gregg
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Think bribe and then more bribes if you want it done
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Just wondering... you guys did know you are in another country and the rules they play by are quite different than the USA, yes?
I do not agree with the Mexican officials who see you as 'rich gringos' with endless flow of cash to have your dream home on a Baja beach, but just
wondering if you thought there was either justice or fairness for all down there.
Best of luck with your development! When the Baja highway (Mexico One) was constructed between Colonet and Ciudad Constitucion (1968-1973) literally
millions if not billions of plants and forms of life were destroyed as they cleared a huge swath through the desert well beyond the highway width. The
old dirt road was eco-friendly and not one massive cardon or boojum tree was bulldozed for it. |
They probably could have financed the whole highway if they'd boxed up and sold all the Cardons and Boojums they bulldozed....!
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Mexitron
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tecatero---just out of curiosity, what area of Baja are you building on?
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Russ
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The environmental agencies did not come until around 1984. Most stuff before that were grandfathered in.
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J.P.
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Impact study
Do it the Mexican way. Out where I live the owner opened up a new section and Bulldozed a bunch of lots on the side of the mountain then placed all
kinds of junk boat's, car's, old trailers and other debris on the lot's so the people would think the lots had been there for a long time. 
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If an area is already populated to some extent and your building inbetween other homes already there if the area is aready considered residential is
it still required to have the impact study done?
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tecatero
I keep hearing that number of 12000US,,,,holy crap for what ?? |
For what? That's a good question! Does anybody know what the impact report contains? What are they looking for? $12,000 sounds like way too much money
to determine the impact of a single family dwelling on the environment. How many times do they need to "study" that to know.
I'm all for protecting the environment but is any aspect of this legit or is it just another "tax" on the builder?
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