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Labor costs for home construction
Is there anyone out there that can give us an idea of the current labor costs for home construction in the
Santa Rosalia - Mulege - Loreto? Also, what is the best way to exchange Dollars to Pesos to pay for the construction, hopefully beating the rapidly
devalued dollar.
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Bob and Susan
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First buy a lot...
Then get your FM3....
Then open a bank account in Mexico...
Then get in touch with a Mexican arcitect in the area you want to build in....
He draws plans and introduces you to a builder....
You pay for what you want...
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FM3
Necessary to open a bank account first.
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Stay away from the Architict
I would strongly suggest you Hire someone to do each part of the construction, Pay on a Weekly basis and first learn enough Spanish to understand.
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wrong wrong wrong wrong
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Wrong
Bob/Susan,
which wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong are you referring to???
Just put in our application for FM3
Bank Account (U.S.Dolare) was critical, with lots of transactions....Went through an attorney in Santa Rosalia.....
How are the both of you doing??
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Sorry El Vikingo
Skeet is wrong wrong wrong wrong
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It has gone up
and after doing some investigation it looks as if between $65.00 and $85.00 per square foot is pretty standard in both Baja Norte y Sur.
Now, before some knucklehead chimes in trying to prove me wrong again, these were the prices quoted to us by many architects and builders.
I also happen to know that these prices can be greatly increased or decreased depending on who you are trying to impress with your new Mexican
"mansions".
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And on Skeet being wrong
depending on your level of artistic abilities and construction knowledge, you probably don't need an architect.
What you do need is to be able to draw the general idea of what you want, play with it for a while until you have it the way you really want it and
take it to an engineer to make it work.
He will also get you the plans and permits, probably have his own construction guys to do the work, or know a dependable crew, and he is licensed
and knowledgable in all aspects of the project.
This saves you about $2000.00 by eliminating the architect.
As far as the weekly pay, it depends on the company doing the work. If you are there supervising your own crew, weekly pay works well. If you have a
company doing it, they will want a deposit and a regular payment schedule set up. Completion of foundation, Pay. Completion of walls, Pay
Completion of roof, Pay
When something goes awry during this payment process, such as them needing a little money not originally scheduled, that's when the trouble
begins!
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Mike in Los Barriles will tell you $100.00 sq. ft and he has built a lot of nice houses down there.
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Good point Jorge
I wasn't thinking of the east cape or los cabos areas. For some reason or other, those places are a little more costly than the rest of Baja!
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If you build a stick house or bamboo you DONT need an arcitect but.....
if you want it to withstand the WOLF you do.
The accitect acts as the building inspector.
Things are alot different now and gringo construction is audited a lot. It's not like the OLD days...they even have telephones now...
Do it right!!
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If you build a stick house or bamboo
you hopefully have some experience with construction prior to attepting to fit round pieces together and make em stay that way.
As far as doing it right goes, after running Mexican construction crews for a number of years doing it right, as in gringo homes, it isn't all that
complicated.
An architect knows nothing of structural connections, bearing loads, etc. An engineer does and can get plans approved with your structural safety
in mind rather than the cute drawings an architect will give you for $2000.00.
After building homes in Laguna Niguel (none of them were bamboo!)and down here for about 40 years, and spending the last 6 months dealing with
architects, engineers, inspectors and their cousins, prior to our building anything, I have tried to do my homework on all aspects, rather than basing
all of my knowledge on having built one house!
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well......have to jump in here....
As a current LICENSED general contractor with both residential and commercial priviledges....(in AZ they are seperated, you might qualify as either,
or both - diff tests bonding and fees)
Let me say it is not fair (JR) to blanket state that Architects are not engineers - many are and in fact can sign off for bldg, structural. If they
don't have structural seal then yes, they hire an outside reviewer for that req'd discipline.
In Mexico, by education, many if not most "architects" have structural training as well as part of their board exams and are in fact "defacto"
engineers, at least for building structure - not mechanical or electrical . Licensed Architects do not merely draw pretty elevations and floor plans -
they typically know, understand, and spec all manner of minimum structural standards in their designs.
Now let me differentiate from "Home planners" or "designers", many of whom i have associated with on custom projects - they can be quite talented as
far as cadd work or even straight board work (Drawing) - but are lot licensed as Architects or engineers - and have to have any of their work
requiring a permit reviewed, and "sealed" by a licensed professional. But they otherwise might be top drawer basic designers.
I know a few top flight mexican Architect-Engineers - they are incredibly talented and i would insist on having one on board any project i was going
to have done for myself as an owner.
As far as doing a job yourself, it is forbidden by law if you are a foreigner. You have to hire and pay locals - that's the treason to use a local
contractor which - yes - might be part of or an "arm" of the architect/engineer.
You can't do any work technically on ypour own nor hire locals and pay them cash under the mesa. The law requires strict accounting and processing of
"facturas" for labor control and taxation.
Bob and Susan have more knowledge than many here i'd say as they do their homework and are undertaking a fairly large project as independents. My
experience comes only from friends who have considerable development experience in mainland and baja - some being large homes and multi family.
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Daily,Ongoing Experience
in regards to a project we may be doing has led me to talk with so far, 6 architects, 4 engineers, most recently this morning, as well as property
title people, notarios, everybody.
Some of it even involves some "questionable" properties, owners, BS you read in the newspapers, and a whole bunch of reasons for us to be thorough
in this phase of cliff jumping.
One of the issues has been exact property lines. Not that that's a big deal in Mexico hahahahahahaha. Not one of the architects was licensed to
determine the boundaries and they referred us to the numerous engineers we have met with regarding the property.
Perhaps because we drew our own designs, architects were stunned and engineers said that they could take it from our design as far as structural
details, permits, making it happen.
I also have my FM3 stamped for construction (which I am not doing) since working for the studio. So as far as gringos being able to work here, we
can. But, it does pay to be legal, and one would be nut's to not hire local labor for more than one reason, or a legal const. company to do the
building..
I have thoroughly enjoyed meeting all of the architects, we listened to their ideas and they all seemed to me very professional and intelligent.
They were prepared and I'm sure were very good at what they do.
We just found that, they aren't really necessary and $2000.00 buys a lot of tequila hic..... Or bamboo as the case may be.
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Land south of Loreto
Good to see that you ya"all have some back ground work to do. Fm_3 doesn't find you the place you want to build your home, it 's the peopleand the
water in the front. where the whales come thru. The days that you could not be sure that the land you are buying was going to be yours to re-sale or
pass on to relatives are over. Go thru tha local real estate agency and they will work you thru the way to put your property in a fidio comicio that
the govt. has surveyed. Have paper s on our land ,south of loreto. In ligui, same as the Danzante resort.
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Surprisingly enough
it's not always quite that easy. Just ask the people from Punta Banda.
What we are dealing with is something quite unusual involving a number of factors which I won't bore your intelligence with.
An FM3 has nothing to do with it other than the fact that I am legal to be a carpenter and run crews, preferably Mexican ones.
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land down south
Punta banda is old story that change of papers between the govt. and the eido were not the same as the papers. That were changed between the home
owners and the real estate co.
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land south of loreto
First of all ,why do you try to make every one think that it's so HARD to buy land in Mexico. ? ever heard of a change ? They now have phones you can
carry on you walk ....................
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