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bajaguy
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BCN permanent resident taking USA plated car to BCS
We also live in Ensenada, have RP status and drive our US plated vehicle to Guerrero Negro every year. No problems
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gnukid
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Mexconnect is largely focus on mainland where different rules apply such as TIP for temporal residente. There are no such restrictions against perm
resident driving US plated vehicles in BCS, though people are often confused about this due to reading mexconnect and advertisements for importation.
Be sure you are up to date on license, reg, ins, and the car has lights and plates etc and you visa and passport are valid.
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Alm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Mexconnect is largely focus on mainland where different rules apply such as TIP for temporal residente. There are no such restrictions against perm
resident driving US plated vehicles in BCS, |
I believe the difference in rules is only in TIPs.
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greengoes
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Things are changing................
My understanding of the situation is if you enter Baja Sur they may ask for your visa (FMM et al). If you show your Residente Permanente they may
dredge up the law that if you are a RP you can't drive a US plated car in Mexico, it should have National plates.
I am not an expert in these matters, better dig deeper and find out.
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bajaguy
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Relax, you don't need a TIP iin Baja (at least not yet)
| Quote: | Originally posted by TedZark
My brother will be with me on a tourist FMM, if there were issues could he drive the car and get the TIP? |
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Sandlefoot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by greengoes
Things are changing................
My understanding of the situation is if you enter Baja Sur they may ask for your visa (FMM et al). If you show your Residente Permanente they may
dredge up the law that if you are a RP you can't drive a US plated car in Mexico, it should have National plates.
I am not an expert in these matters, better dig deeper and find out. |
The way it is here in Baja, the only authority that will ever ask for you immigration papers, for the purpose of establishing your status as an
immigrate, is an IMN officer. The police nor the military have any jurisdiction over immigration. There have been instances where the military, at a
check point, has asked. But their purpose is to get your name spelled correctly and other information they are using to track tourists, NOT to
determine your visitors status! When they ask me I hand them my drivers license and they get the required information from it, then they ask me the
year of manufacture of my car. If they insist on your IMN paper work I would submit it, because the person may an IMN officer looking for some one
specific. I have never heard any stories to that effect yet.
They are not issuing TIPS is Baja yet, and they are not expected to start soon.
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Just because it may not be a good idea does not mean it will not be fun!!!
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TedZark
Thank you, especially BajaGuy - exactly what I was looking for. Yes, I am familiar with the issues with MexConnect, but sometimes you get a good
answer, so just through the line in the water hoping for a good response.
Gracias! |
Never have seen an issue, but there are people on this forum who swear something is gospel but can never provide proof. I f you did have something go
wrong, they would say, well its Mexico and things change.
I recommend asking where something is in writing or for something more than hearsay when it comes to a technical question that cold get you in
trouble.
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bajaguy
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It's all good!!!
Check your u2u inbox
| Quote: | Originally posted by TedZark
Gracias. It's always 5PM at my house. And - who waits for 5? Or was that 5AM? |
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greengoes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TedZark
My brother will be with me on a tourist FMM, if there were issues could he drive the car and get the TIP? |
No TIP needed for Baja. If he is driving no problema.
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Alm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TedZark
Yes, I am familiar with the issues with MexConnect, but sometimes you get a good answer, so just through the line in the water hoping for a good
response. |
If you need an answer that you like, this is one thing, but the truth is another. Mexconnect is a good source of info.
There are no TIP required on cars in Baja, no matter what your status is. However, I am not 100% positive that Mex permanent residents are legally
allowed to drive US plated cars. Import regulations like TIP may differ from state to state, but immigration laws are the same all over the country.
Checkpoint in Guerrero Negro is - usually - concerned with registration papers, not your immigration status. As long as nobody checks your status,
you are OK. This is a matter of poor enforcement. If you really want to be sure that what you're doing is legal, you should seek other sources of
information.
[Edited on 10-31-2014 by Alm]
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TedZark
I am not looking for an answer "I like".
My term "a good response" meant that I was looking for good and correct information. |
correct information by word of mouth on the internet is risky. Ask for the regulation or law and see what you get.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
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Checkpoint in Guerrero Negro is - usually - concerned with registration papers, not your immigration status. As long as nobody checks your status,
you are OK. This is a matter of poor enforcement. If you really want to be sure that what you're doing is legal, you should seek other sources of
information.
[Edited on 10-31-2014 by Alm] |
Really???? When did that change?????
Last time I crossed from BC to BCS at the Guerrero Negro checkpoint - March 2014 - it was an agricultural inspection area and an INM checkpoint
looking at your FMM/residency status.....If they were open.
I have never been asked for (vehicle) registration papers......anybody else been checked for (vehicle) registration papers at GN???
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
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Checkpoint in Guerrero Negro is - usually - concerned with registration papers, not your immigration status. As long as nobody checks your status,
you are OK. This is a matter of poor enforcement. If you really want to be sure that what you're doing is legal, you should seek other sources of
information.
[Edited on 10-31-2014 by Alm] |
Really???? When did that change?????
Last time I crossed from BC to BCS at the Guerrero Negro checkpoint - March 2014 - it was an agricultural inspection area and an INM checkpoint
looking at your FMM/residency status.....If they were open.
I have never been asked for (vehicle) registration papers......anybody else been checked for (vehicle) registration papers at GN???
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couple of years ago. Also to the south of GN (between Guerrero and Vixcaino). They also used to have a checkpoint at San Ignacio mainly checking
locals. and in La Paz out towards pichilingue . They can be set up any where at any time.
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bajaguy
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Well, butter my burro and call me a biscuit
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
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Checkpoint in Guerrero Negro is - usually - concerned with registration papers, not your immigration status. As long as nobody checks your status,
you are OK. This is a matter of poor enforcement. If you really want to be sure that what you're doing is legal, you should seek other sources of
information.
[Edited on 10-31-2014 by Alm] |
Really???? When did that change?????
Last time I crossed from BC to BCS at the Guerrero Negro checkpoint - March 2014 - it was an agricultural inspection area and an INM checkpoint
looking at your FMM/residency status.....If they were open.
I have never been asked for (vehicle) registration papers......anybody else been checked for (vehicle) registration papers at GN???
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couple of years ago. Also to the south of GN (between Guerrero and Vixcaino). They also used to have a checkpoint at San Ignacio mainly checking
locals. and in La Paz out towards pichilingue . They can be set up any where at any time. |
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rts551
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Also you have one south of Maneadero but I haven't seen anyone there in a while.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Well, butter my burro and call me a biscuit
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
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Checkpoint in Guerrero Negro is - usually - concerned with registration papers, not your immigration status. As long as nobody checks your status,
you are OK. This is a matter of poor enforcement. If you really want to be sure that what you're doing is legal, you should seek other sources of
information.
[Edited on 10-31-2014 by Alm] |
Really???? When did that change?????
Last time I crossed from BC to BCS at the Guerrero Negro checkpoint - March 2014 - it was an agricultural inspection area and an INM checkpoint
looking at your FMM/residency status.....If they were open.
I have never been asked for (vehicle) registration papers......anybody else been checked for (vehicle) registration papers at GN???
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couple of years ago. Also to the south of GN (between Guerrero and Vixcaino). They also used to have a checkpoint at San Ignacio mainly checking
locals. and in La Paz out towards pichilingue . They can be set up any where at any time. |
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rts551
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no, they seem to move around or go on vacation, depending...but you never know where or when. The times they have stopped me they were looking for
registration and license. oh and checking for alcohol.
| Quote: | Originally posted by TedZark
I've been by there numerous times in the last couple months. No one there. |
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Alm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TedZark
I was told by an immigration attorney here that a permanent resident status person could drive a foreign plated car (in this state) as long as you had
a USA driver's license and current registration. |
I wonder what this lawyer - or any other lawyer, for that matter - would have to say about legality of your USA license with USA address. Don't
forget that you are claiming to be residing permanently in another country 
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gnukid
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Alm it is a common case today for people to have multiple residences, in the same area or in different areas. It is not uncommon at all for snowbirds
to travel. And there is case law for this, Case law applies to you and your belongings, warranties, registrations etc. If you are in good standing,
your registrations and permits do not become invalid just because you travel between homes.
If you are interested, look more into it, there are also gypsies and transient workers with no permanent home who have rights and can get permanent
residency cards, for example in the USA there are millions, and certainly being a legal resident of 2 or 3 places does not make you immediately
illegal for doing so and one can not suddenly change their reg at the moment of moving between two homes or crossing the border.
Mainland has their own unique laws that do not make much sense nor are consistent with international use cases.
I can be a permanent resident of multiple countries and have a CA reg as long as I intend to return the vehicle to CA.
Baja is a highly transitory area, with so many cars and drivers that do not have any plates or license nor reg, those who do carry valid immigration,
plates, reg and license and are traveling between homes are not flagged illegal in BCS.
We have bigger fish to fry!
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Just came to east cape, Or. plated truck and 5th wheel, Az plated quad trailer, don't recall ever being asked at GN for Registration papers or INM
papers in the last 10 to 12 years, same for military stops. Federal stop once outside Cuidad Const. asked for reg. on truck and 5th wheel. Have been
towing something up and down once or twice a year since 75. All you need is good attitude and show your US drivers lic., have ins. papers etc. if
needed Have a great trip
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rts551
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Many foreign countries DO NOT recognize a US drivers lisence and an International Drivers License is required.. We are lucky that is not the case
in Mexico yet.
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Alm it is a common case today for people to have multiple residences, in the same area or in different areas. It is not uncommon at all for snowbirds
to travel. And there is case law for this, Case law applies to you and your belongings, warranties, registrations etc. If you are in good standing,
your registrations and permits do not become invalid just because you travel between homes.
If you are interested, look more into it, there are also gypsies and transient workers with no permanent home who have rights and can get permanent
residency cards, for example in the USA there are millions, and certainly being a legal resident of 2 or 3 places does not make you immediately
illegal for doing so and one can not suddenly change their reg at the moment of moving between two homes or crossing the border.
Mainland has their own unique laws that do not make much sense nor are consistent with international use cases.
I can be a permanent resident of multiple countries and have a CA reg as long as I intend to return the vehicle to CA.
Baja is a highly transitory area, with so many cars and drivers that do not have any plates or license nor reg, those who do carry valid immigration,
plates, reg and license and are traveling between homes are not flagged illegal in BCS.
We have bigger fish to fry! |
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