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2014 B1K Speed Penalties
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What does & VCP - D stand for. Also, why were the penalized for speed?
I am a rookie just trying to learn.
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we grow old because we stop playing
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There are places the race course goes through towns (Valle de Trinidad, El Rosario, San Ignacio, etc.) and also on the highway where there are speed
limits for safety reasons.
VCP stands for visual check points, this is where Score personal are stationed and the racer's are noted going by (if they miss going by because they
took a short cut, or were doing something else taboo).
'D' I don't know, but is probably the satellite tracker ("Device") ever racer has onboard and recorded them going too fast through a speed zone?
I am anxious to hear from TW if I got this correct... It has been some years since I was racing or more directly involved in race pitting.
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I live in Mulege and yesterday there were plenty of speed violations Northbound. This is a built up area with no shoulder areas for pedestrians. Truck
after truck, some of them competitors but mostly support vehicles and wanabees, were driving well beyond any reasonable speed and passing at
completely inappropriate places.
I'm sure that the organizers say something at some time about behavior off of the course but from my point of view (an ex racer) it looks like
professional drivers but amateur human beings.
One serious accident involving an innocent and uninvolved national would be a serious setback to the event.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gulliver
I live in Mulege and yesterday there were plenty of speed violations Northbound. This is a built up area with no shoulder areas for pedestrians. Truck
after truck, some of them competitors but mostly support vehicles and wanabees, were driving well beyond any reasonable speed and passing at
completely inappropriate places.
I'm sure that the organizers say something at some time about behavior off of the course but from my point of view (an ex racer) it looks like
professional drivers but amateur human beings.
One serious accident involving an innocent and uninvolved national would be a serious setback to the event. |
This seemed like a great opportunity missed for law enforcement to write tickets, and bring in much needed revenue? The race is over and unless the
governor instructed the cops to back off (and not sour a huge money source for Baja), the highways have speed limits... 80 kph is pretty hard to
drive, specially if you have racing blood!
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Speed
Maybe these idiots who disregard the speed limits and drive without regard for other drivers and pedestrians should stay north of the border......oh,
wait......they can't drive like that in the US so they come to a foreign country where they and others feel that it is OK to break the law.
I for one would not be disappointed if they took their racing back to the US or maybe Canada. If they want to tear up the countryside and drive like
jerks, maybe there is a spot somewhere in north Africa
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I have learned over the years to avoid any roadway around race time. Most people involved drive way too fast - way too risky. Many of them are
overloaded and blind the chit out of you at night.
I won't even mention that the racers destroy ranch roads. Spectators love the race - people living in rural Baja hate it. Yeah, I know, the government
gets money from the organizers to fix those roads.
Shall we speculate where the money goes?
Harald Pietschmann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 4x4abc
I have learned over the years to avoid any roadway around race time. Most people involved drive way too fast - way too risky. Many of them are
overloaded and blind the chit out of you at night.
I won't even mention that the racers destroy ranch roads. Spectators love the race - people living in rural Baja hate it. Yeah, I know, the government
gets money from the organizers to fix those roads.
Shall we speculate where the money goes? |
hopefully, increasing environmental awareness and expanded power of local citizens will see this off road racing banned in the next decade.
every year the racers remind us they are knuckle draggers that disrespect the land and the people, how much longer will the people tolerate this?
racers will say it's just a few bad apples,... well that is not a valid excuse, nor a solution. racers are the best group to police themselves. if
racers cant control their bad apples -- and many years of bad behavior proves they cannot police themselves -- then the people of mexico should ban
them all.
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I think it will be a very long time before Baja bans off road racing, especially SCORE. SCORE has added a Baja Sur 500 race to it's schedule starting
next year. While ranchers, for good reason, don't like it they will put up with it. Hotels and restaurants love it as do the spectators and kids
wanting stickers. Paved roads will slowly choke off places to race as hwy 5 south of San Felipe is doing. Sometime in the future a Baja 1000 may be 4
or 5 loops around San Felipe. That will give the whoops a whole new meaning.
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Yes, I think off road racing will probably be around for a while. Maybe powered by solar cells with an audio system to provide the noise.
The race itself isn't the main problem that I see. What set my teeth on edge was many 'caravans' of big trucks traveling at high speed, passing just
before vados, bridges and curves, not slowing down as they neared town at all, and generally just looking as though all they had in mind was getting
back to their man caves, and computers to brag about how they tore up their truck, got drunk in LaPaz and generally behaved like frat boys.
Time for them to start fitting in to the country a lot more. Forget making it back to the states in one day. Forget driving at night. Behave like
adults.
If you act like a burro, we will assume that's what you are. There is more to Baja than you know or seem to care.
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Here is a report from a team that only received a 3 minute penalty the whole race - the winners in the bike category.
This is a long read, but if you're interested in racing I think this will resonate with you. I especially got stoked when he mentioned his main
mechanic Phil, and his father Bob. The story of Max Eddy changing a blown tire with a tire he got from Baja Pits with a screwdriver underscores the
commitment that is the Baja 1000.
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SCORE Baja 1000
Ensenada to La Paz, BC, Mexico
November 13, 2014
It took me quite a bit of time to reach my decision and commit to racing the Baja 1000. After the year that I had in 2013, crashing really hard at all
three SCORE events, and then with the loss of Kurt at the 1000, I didn’t want to go back down anymore; the speed had elevated, the risks were greater,
and the stakes had become all too real to all of us. But the closer the race came, the more I started to think of how I wanted to remember Baja, and I
came to the conclusion that I didn’t want the 2013 1000 to be my last memory of a race and adventure that had made such an impact on my life. I wanted
to go down one more time, put in a ride that would see me safely to the finish line, and enjoy the experience of one of the greatest off road races in
the world; a race that has given me so much and so many positive memories. I was also fully aware that Ricky Brabec and Max Eddy were tied in the
championship with the WFOx team, meaning that whoever won the 1000 was going to take home the 1X championship, and I felt I could help the team earn
it.
The next piece to fall into place, making my decision to race feel even better, was when Steve Hengeveld committed to the team. Steve continues to be
one of the fastest, toughest, and surely most experienced racers in Baja, he’s ridiculously fast when the sun goes down, and he and I still had some
unfinished business in Baja. With Steve on board, and Ricky and Max racing on probably the best form of their lives, proving they’re two of the
fastest racers either side of the border, I wasn’t short on confidence that if the four of us simply had a solid ride, we could put the 1x plate on a
green bike for the first time since 1996.
We also had one heck of a team/race effort coordinator in my dad and I felt the race plan we came up with suited everyone’s strengths quite well: I’d
take the bike the first 200 miles, then Ricky would get a 120-mile section before I would remount and ride another 185 miles. Max would take over from
me around the Bay of LA, as the sun would start to fall for about 220 miles before handing the bike to Ricky just North of San Ignacio for a 260-mile
section. Our ringer would be Steve, who would take the bike from Ricky in Loreto, and motorcycle gods willing, cross the finish line 310 miles later.
We had suspicions of how the WFOx team was planning on splitting the peninsula, and we later learned that they were spot on as Colton started and rode
the first 650 miles (+/-), giving the bike to Ian Young around Viscaino, who would then hand it over to Mark Samuels in Loreto for the final stretch
to the finish. No matter how the race would turn out, there was no denying Colton’s passion and desire for racing and winning in Baja; simply even
considering riding for 12-plus hours straight, at race-winning speed mind you, would be unbelievably demanding on both the mind and the body. We never
underestimated the reigning 1X team though, they’ve proven time and again to be fighters, and that they’re at their most dangerous when their backs
are up against the wall.
As race day drew near I was noticing that my usual Baja-race nerves weren’t creeping in; I was pretty calm and relaxed. I think this was because I had
made a conscious decision, and a promise to myself and my wife, to ride completely within myself, not push the pace like I had in the recent past,
which is when I’d get in to trouble, and rely on the fact that I had such strong teammates; I didn’t feel I needed to go out and win the race from the
start. Instead, my overriding goals were to ride safe and smart, and keep the bike in perfect condition, giving my partners the best possible
opportunity to have a good ride, and I wanted to have a little fun while I was at it.
A four thirty a.m. alarm meant it must be race day and as I headed over towards the start I once again took note of how relaxed I felt. Of course
there were a few butterflies fluttering around in my stomach, but it is the Baja 1000: it’s kind of a big deal. Since Ricky is the rider of record he
has to either start or finish to earn points for the team and the logical choice was to have him roll off the line and bring the bike to me a few
hundred yards down the course. Just after six a.m. I heard a purpose-built KX450 accelerating toward me, took a couple grounding deep breaths, mounted
the 4X bike and took off for the start of the 2014 Baja 1000.
The early start time, combined with a sky blocked by heavy clouds left the morning conditions quite dark as the course wound through Ensenada. I know
the start really well from years past so it would have been easy for me to get swept up in the emotion and grandeur of the event and start to ride
above what I felt comfortable with, but I held true to my promise and stayed smooth, riding a good, but safe pace. Colton was definitely on another
program as around mile fifteen I saw the flood of a headlight shining from behind me. As I checked up for a slightly blind rise, Colton stayed hard on
the gas and made the pass by me, instantly pulling out a bit of a gap. Again it would have been easy for me to pick up my pace and try to race with
Colton, but I kept the big picture in perspective and decided to let him go. I had confidence that we just needed to stay somewhat close to Colton
through the daytime. I felt our team was really going to excel at night.
I actually ended up losing quite a bit of time to Colton through the entirety of my first section; he straight up dropped the hammer and left me,
pulling out nearly eight minutes of a lead by the time I gave the bike to Ricky around mile 200. I have to admit I was pretty shocked I lost that much
time; I knew I was riding safe, but I didn’t think I was riding THAT safe. Still, there were 1,070 miles left to run, it was slightly early to worry
about the gap.
Ricky had a good ride over his 120 miles, suffering one minor crash in the start of his section, and after our first major maintenance pit I hopped
back on the bike and took off for my second stint. This time I instantly felt better on the bike. The sun was now fully up, the course was heading
into the open desert, and it’s as if my comfort level raised a few notches. It also didn’t hurt that I really enjoyed the type of terrain the course
was heading towards, as I really like the fast, rocky sections around Catviña and the flowing washes heading towards El Crucero. After nearly fours
hours on the bike, I reached our second major maintenance pit around race mile 500, where we would hang our headlights and I would hand the bike over
to Max. Through my second section I was able to put a little time back in to Colton’s lead (I think he also had am issue with his rear tire), and
after our pit the gap was down to around six minutes. We still had to remember that even at this point, ten hours in to the race, there were still
almost 800 miles to go.
Now that my job as far as racing the bike was done, the real nerves could begin to set in. I feel it’s often tougher on the emotions to be off the
bike, or in the position of the mechanics, as you’re not in direct control of the motorcycle. It also doesn’t help that it’s usually pretty difficult
to get updates down the peninsula as cel service is sketchy at best, and radio updates are few and far between. Luckily we had a satellite phone and
were in constant contact with friends and family watching the live timing on the internet, so we were actually able to stay somewhat up to date on how
the race was unfolding.
Max was having a flyer of a ride as the first reports we heard were that he was catching the 1X bike, getting to within three minutes. Then the next
thing we heard was that Max had passed the Honda in the pits around Viscaino, taking the physical lead back and our hearts were swelling with
excitement. That’s when the bottom dropped out. We initially heard broken reports over weatherman that 4X had something broken on the bike and just as
we were starting to decide how to change our chase plans and get to the bike, Max came over the radio saying that the tire had melted, but he had
found another worn out tire at Baja Pits, was changing it, and would be moving in less than ten minutes. We later learned that Max had to use a couple
screwdrivers to change the tire and get back going, pretty much summing up the perseverance required to finish the Baja 1000.
By the time Max came in to our pit location just north of San Ignacio our deficit to the 1X bike had grown to around twenty minutes. It definitely
wasn’t ideal, but we still had over 500 miles left to race and two incredible riders to get it done for us. Then we suffered yet another emotional
punch to the face when we received an update that Ricky had dropped to over forty minutes behind the 1X bike. As it turned out, not long in to Ricky’s
section he suffered a light failure, but luckily he had made the decision to stick a radio in his fanny pack and was able to hail Max’s chase crew to
meet him in San Ignacio and change the lights with a backup set they had in the van. Putting that radio in his pack saved our race and was just
another example of what it can take to overcome the challenges of Baja.
At this point in the race I was starting to feel a little deflated, but there was still something in the back of my mind whispering that there were
still a lot of miles to cover and truly anything can happen. That’s when we got a bit of a lifeline: we heard 1X chase crews coming over weatherman
that the Honda had a problem. Ian had crashed and broken his wrist near San Isidro road, but showing the heart that he has, he was able to finish out
his section and get the bike to Mark Samuels, keeping them in the lead. We were definitely benefitted by the situation as Ricky came in to our pit
just over twenty minutes back, but a prolonged final major maintenance pit stop pushed the gap back out to nearly thirty minutes. From this point
there were 310 miles to go, our race bike was good to go to the finish and we had the fastest night rider in Baja getting on: a thirty minute gap had
never seemed so small to me.
Right away we received reports that Steve had closed to within fifteen minutes of the Honda, though we suspected they might have had to do some
maintenance of their own, possibly repair some crash damage or fix some light issues. Then the reports kept coming that Steve was closing in: we heard
twelve minutes, then six minutes, then three and a part of me couldn’t help but start thinking of the 2012 Baja 1000 when we were in the exact same
situation only to suffer the heartbreak of a motor failure. I did my best to keep my emotions in check, not get too excited about the possibility of
winning and not think too much about the potential what ifs, but when we stopped on the course for a visual check of the bike and saw Steve come
through with over three minutes on the Honda and 120 miles to go, I started thinking to myself that this was finally our year.
Steve continued to pull away to the finish, crossing the checkered flag after over twenty four hours of racing with a twenty minute gap over the 1X
team, finally taking the win that we had been working and waiting for since 2009. It was such a mixture of emotions for me at the finish line; I had
been trying for half a decade to win this race, only to come up short and suffer so much disappointment, that I almost couldn’t believe it was real,
that we had really just won the Baja 1000! I was so stoked for Max and Ricky, as they’ve just added their names to an incredibly elite list of racers
who have won this granddaddy SCORE event, and I couldn’t help sharing a moment with my dad, Steve and our chief mechanic Phil: this is something that
we’ve put our whole hearts into for so many years and I still get a combination of chills and tears at the thought that we finally achieved it.
There are so many people to thank for helping to make this happen. I want to thank our major team supporters: Dean and Bonanza Plumbing, Monster
Energy, THR Motorsports, Precision Concepts, Hoosier Machining, Kawasaki, my personal sponsors: MSR mx, Shoei helmets, Sidi boots, Spy goggles, Focus
apparel, EVS sports, USWE hydration systems, ATP Mechanix sport supplements, Ryan Abbatoye Designs, Northland Motorsports, FMF racing, BRP, Alamo
Alarm, IWC Motorsports, and A’ME grips and all of the team sponsors for stepping up for this event. Thanks to Phil, Ty, Bob and John at Precision
Concepts for building one heck of a race bike, to Sean, Kendall, and Bob for watching over me in the helicopter, everyone involved with the KC66
Foundation for the improvements, especially having their helicopter switch between lead bikes when our heli’s had to land for fuel, meaning the race
leaders were rarely, if ever, without aerial support. Thanks to Baja Pits, and to our own pit crews and chase drivers for putting their lives on hold
for two weeks to help us achieve this dream, and to all of our supporters for believing we could do this. Thank you to Joe Feeley for coming down and
being so gracious in helping us when we literally dumped a laundry list of to-do’s in his lap, thank you to Scott and Rob for continuing to believe in
this effort, supporting Ricky and Max this year, and giving us another chance to make it happen. A huge thank you to my teammates for all of the work
they put in, having the fantastic rides that they did, and wanting me to be a part of this with them. Thank you to my parents for everything they’ve
done to help me get to this point and lastly, and most importantly to me, thank you to my wife. She’s believed in me in so many different ways, not
just that I could ride well, but that I could keep our promise and she supporting my decision to race when it was a difficult thing to do.
I want to congratulate the WFOx team for everything they’ve achieved this year and wish them the best of luck moving forward. Colton had a ride that I
doubt will ever be repeated, holding the lead of the Baja 1000 for over 600 miles by himself; he definitely needed a cape and a big S on his chest for
that. I also want to congratulate SCORE on a successful event; I can’t imagine how much work it was to make the peninsula run a reality after all of
the damage caused by the hurricanes. Lastly I want to touch on the fact that this race meant we’ve been without Kurt for one year now. The motorcycle
community, and undoubtedly the lives of his friends and family, isn’t the same without him and not a day goes by that we don’t think about him. I do
believe he was watching everyone racing down the peninsula, with that smile that we all miss so much.
Winning this Baja 1000 feels like it truly has closed a chapter in my life. It’s something that I’ve wanted so badly and to come so close to winning
it twice previously, only to suffer the most bitter disappointment, makes being involved in this win that much more special. I’ve achieved more than I
ever could have dreamed in Baja and I feel this was my last time racing for the overall pro motorcycle win, but I’m sure it wasn’t my last time
heading across the border. There’s still just something about racing in Baja, the adventure, the challenge, and the achievement of crossing the finish
line that keeps those who have raced it coming back year after year.
Robby Bell
www.robbybellracing.com
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I guess there always be people around that stereotype everyone else...kinda like all wannabe environmentalists are goat lovers. I woulda though
someone with an education would have given up the stereotypes a long time ago.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by 4x4abc
I have learned over the years to avoid any roadway around race time. Most people involved drive way too fast - way too risky. Many of them are
overloaded and blind the chit out of you at night.
I won't even mention that the racers destroy ranch roads. Spectators love the race - people living in rural Baja hate it. Yeah, I know, the government
gets money from the organizers to fix those roads.
Shall we speculate where the money goes? |
hopefully, increasing environmental awareness and expanded power of local citizens will see this off road racing banned in the next decade.
every year the racers remind us they are knuckle draggers that disrespect the land and the people, how much longer will the people tolerate this?
racers will say it's just a few bad apples,... well that is not a valid excuse, nor a solution. racers are the best group to police themselves. if
racers cant control their bad apples -- and many years of bad behavior proves they cannot police themselves -- then the people of mexico should ban
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I am curious to know what one has to do to get a 10 hour 13 minute and 30 second penalty?
Class 10 1045
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SCORE Penalty explanation
Let me correct some information about how a SCORE race works.
The GPS track defines Way points, Check points, Virtual check points, speed zones and the breadcrumbs for the track.
The course is defined by a gps track that is available to all racers. Also they make available a picture of the course. Of course with out a GPS in
your race vehicle you quickly become lost and the result would be huge time penalties.
The GPS track has waypoints at a predetermined race mile locations to allow the race teams & officials to locate the racer. This location is via
by VHS radios.
In addition to the mile waypoints the GPS file defines the VCPs.
A VCP is like a waypoint and the racer is required to drive/ride within a certain distant of the virtual waypoint. Sometimes the course marker will
place an arrow at these places, but mostly there is nothing to see as one drives the track. There is never any official or persons at these VCPs.
Nothing visual about a VCP. What this means is without a GPS the driver/rider will be lost and will receive time penalties. So the question comes up
all the time as to how a biker or quad racer can find his way. The answer is the racer must have a GPS. Most of these racers pre-run their section
with a GPS and memorize the VCP locations. Some even place flagging to help them out. Some do not and have the huge penalties. Some guys don't give a
hoot and just follow the burned in track.
There are also Check Points noted on the GPS track and these are physical places are staffed by SCORE people. Racers are logged at the check point
for the purpose of locating racers that stop somewhere along the way.
There are also Speed zones in areas like the highways and in towns where government officials demand that racers drive at the speed limits. The
electronic satellite tracker on each vehicle logs the racer speed and location and when speed limits are exceeded time penalties result.
An electronic satellite tracker on each race vehicle transmits continuous coordinates for the racer location to allow electronic comparison between
vehicle and official track breadcrumb. When the vehicle Deviates then a penalty is logged. All this means a racer cannot drive/ride from WP to WP
because the course breadcrumb must be followed.
This system was begun with old SCORE and has been improved with New SCORE.
Paul
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Thanks Paul... so the old Visual Check Point is now a Virtual Check Point! Seems all too electronic and far from the original theme of man and machine
vs. the elements? Now one must race with a satellite!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thanks Paul... so the old Visual Check Point is now a Virtual Check Point! Seems all too electronic and far from the original theme of man and machine
vs. the elements? Now one must race with a satellite!! |
Not exactly David, now everyone must follow the course....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Poor Robby Gordon!
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Thanks Ateo for the Robby Bell race report, excellent report and I'm very happy for him and his team.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
I am curious to know what one has to do to get a 10 hour 13 minute and 30 second penalty?
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Being stupid is my first thought. Most likely speeding on the hwy and thru towns where the speed limit is 30mph like Trinidad. Some people when in
race mode don't think about what they should be doing other than get to the front.
We had a motorcycle team member a few years ago that was doing 80+mph on every hwy section trying to get to the front. He said later he didn't think
he would be caught if he slowed before turning onto the dirt. He didn't understand the tracking system.
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