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California Mission issue of News from Native California
Hello, All. For those interested in the California missions, I highly recommend reading this issue of News from Native California. Very moving.
http://newsfromnativecalifornia.com/store/issues/282/
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sargentodiaz
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Thank you for the link.
But, let's be honest about this. The site is totally biased. They wish to portray the missions as a blight upon their illustrious history and advanced
culture.
The Costanoan people lived in the area from Big Sur to the San Francisco peninsula. They had no skills other than building sweat lodges, used Stone
Age tools, and survived day-to-day due to a lack of agrarian skills. Of course they're going to attack the very institution that gave them a chance
for survival - it's the politically correct thing to do.
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David K
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In all fairness Dale, while the native Californians may have been stuck in the stone age... and killed each other freely... the death and slave-like
treatment brought upon them by many of the Franciscan and Dominican missionaries is what is the popular teaching now, over any good changes. The truth
that they were going to be exposed to Europeans sooner or later doesn't spare the Catholics (or all white men) for the wrath they are getting in the
past few years, deserved or not.
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sargentodiaz
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Yes, David you are right.
I posted this on my blog and will share it on a number of Catholic sites I routinely visit - also on our favorite history site.
Those interested, check out my response to this @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com
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A lot of it comes down to whether you're choosing to judge the enterprise or the individuals.
The enterprise was obviously disastrous to the tribes of Baja where most of the tribes went extinct. It's hard to argue that the enterprise in Alta
California did much better considering the huge loss of life and culture, but there are some who still seem to disagree on this point.
On the other hand, if you're judging the individuals then you need to understand the individuals. Although Kino, Salvatierra, Piccolo, and Ugarte
made mistakes and didn't adhere to a modern value system, when you read their writings and look at what they risked and worked through, it's hard to
think that they weren't honestly well-intentioned. I think that they were decent people doing what they thought was right. I can't say the same
about all of the Padres. Some of them didn't seem to care much about their "neophytes". Others were unashamedly cruel. Individuals are individuals,
and everyone is different.
You can't judge all of the individuals that were involved in the process of missionization with any singular judgement. They were individuals.
The mission system on mainland Mexico was subservient to the cruel and heavy hand of the military. Kino witnessed this first-hand when Atondo
unloaded cannon-fire on the Indians, killing several just to spite them as he sailed away from their lands to find a different spot to settle. This
appears to have been a significant, motivating event in Kino's life.
Kino chose to try something completely different. He thought that religious governance would produce results that were morally conscionable compared
to military campaigns and he worked with Salviterra and others to implement it.
I think that he spared many Indians the cruelty that other forms of European settlement would have brought had they ever been able to establish
themselves in the peninsula. We get to look at his actions through the lens of history and see the other types of destruction that accompanied his
plan, but I have a hard time thinking that he didn't honestly have the interests of the Indians at heart, despite the terrible outcome.
So yes, the enterprise brought many horrors. Many of the Padres were also morally bankrupt, but not all of them.
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When you are overrun by a greater military force, you are at their mercy. History shows this time and again, to rethink what was is, is pretty
pointless. A web site that points out that a group of people were over run and enslaved can be put up by just about any group. History is full of man
doing unjust things to each other.
Spain came to the Americas collect riches and to convert souls to Christ, they did both very well. Spaniards had a technology that the locals could
not over come, steel, horses and gunpowder, the locals never had a chance. Now it's water under the bridge.
We are using today's standards to judge what happened 250 plus years ago. Slavery has common that that time around the world. We live in a very
different world today.
[Edited on 3-10-2015 by MMc]
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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