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DebMer
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On buying farm/ranch acreage in Baja
My husband and I are leaning toward moving to Mexico in about 8 years. Ideally, we'd like to buy some acreage on which to do small-scale organic
gardening, have some livestock (maybe 4 horses, 3 or 4 goats, possibly a cow, chickens, rabbits), with space to enjoy horseback riding, too. The
garden/ranch aspect would be mostly to accommodate our own needs, although extra to give away or sell wouldn't be a bad thing.
What are some likely areas to take into consideration for this type of set-up? Ideally it would be within maybe 30 miles of a city for the sake of
convenience, and becaise I'd like to have the possibility of teaching ESL classes part-time for several years before retiring. This could be in Baja
or other parts of Mexico.
Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions you can offer!
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David K
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Rancho Concepcion, or as it was called the past few years, Baja Dark Skies Inn... It's for sale!
Edit, well maybe not close enough to a city... but a paved road is only a few miles away...
Here is AstroBaja's ad:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=76975
[Edited on 3-8-2015 by David K]
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Mula
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San Javier outside of Loreto.
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DENNIS
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There was/is a limit on the amount of acreage a foreigner could purchase, even with a bank trust. Don't let anyone tell you different until you look
into it.
One hectaria is [+-] 2.5 acres and if memory serves, one hectaria was that limit.
Of course, Mexico is the land of exceptions, but those just leave you vulnerable.
Be careful.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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SFandH
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Look into the valley west of Mulege. Nice ranch land, close to town. Careful tho, flooding is a problem as is ejido land. If you don't know about
ejido land, research it.
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  |
There was/is a limit on the amount of acreage a foreigner could purchase, even with a bank trust. Don't let anyone tell you different until you look
into it.
One hectaria is [+-] 2.5 acres and if memory serves, one hectaria was that limit.
Of course, Mexico is the land of exceptions, but those just leave you vulnerable.
Be careful. |
Then how did AstroBaja do it (Canadian)? I asked him to clarify the question, but no reply yet.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Mike, would you mind telling us Americans or Canadians what paperwork or method is needed to buy that property since we are not Mexican citizens? Is
it a corporation that holds the land and 'anyone' can buy the corporation and is a residence and business visa also part of the conditions?
Thank you!
I ask because a lot of us hear that real ownership is a risk in Mexico, and knowing the safeguards just might sweeten the deal?
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[Edited on 3-8-2015 by David K]
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LaTijereta
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You would be able to own through a Mexican Corporation..
Here is a nice site near San Ignacio..
http://www.misionloreto.com/gorgeous-improved-property-fruit...
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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Cliffy
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My Great Uncle had a vegetable farm near Mexicali before WWI but he was run out of Mexico in the middle of the night by Pancho Villa.
Absolutely true story.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: Originally posted by DebMer | | My husband and I are leaning toward moving to Mexico in about 8 years. Ideally, we'd like to buy some acreage .........Ideally it would be within
maybe 30 miles of a city for the sake of convenience........... |
Please define your idea of a city and what city amenities you would like.....and does being close to the border play any part in your selection
criteria???
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ElCap
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Yes, that's our property in San Ignacio that's for sale. U2U me if you want more info on ownership, etc. We own land as a Mexican corporation.
http://www.misionloreto.com/gorgeous-improved-property-fruit...
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Bruce R Leech
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Rancho El Tecolote, a little over 60 acres of flat sandy loam land 4 miles west of Mulege. 300 gal per min water well . 60,000 usd. u2u for info.
Bruce R Leech
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DENNIS
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"My husband and I are leaning toward moving to Mexico in about 8 years"
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Doesn't sound like they're in the market quite yet.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS |
There was/is a limit on the amount of acreage a foreigner could purchase, even with a bank trust. Don't let anyone tell you different until you look
into it.
One hectaria is [+-] 2.5 acres and if memory serves, one hectaria was that limit.
Of course, Mexico is the land of exceptions, but those just leave you vulnerable.
Be careful. |
Then how did AstroBaja do it (Canadian)? I asked him to clarify the question, but no reply yet.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Mike, would you mind telling us Americans or Canadians what paperwork or method is needed to buy that property since we are not Mexican citizens? Is
it a corporation that holds the land and 'anyone' can buy the corporation and is a residence and business visa also part of the conditions?
Thank you!
I ask because a lot of us hear that real ownership is a risk in Mexico, and knowing the safeguards just might sweeten the deal?
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David.....your question didn't ask for clarification to my statement. I know of the various methods of acquiring land by a foreigner. My question
was , how much land is allowed?
There were limitations, and I'm willing to go all in saying there still are.
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[Edited on 3-8-2015 by DENNIS] |
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Bruce R Leech
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Mexican corporation.
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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durrelllrobert
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This property would also be ideal for renting improved spaces (maybe as many as 20) consisting if a
covered patio slab with a solar panel and water tank on roof. They would be rented by the year to RV owners that want a place to camp during the
season and store their motor home the rest of the time. Good income potential and still plenty of land for you to do what you want to do.
Bob Durrell
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DebMer
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Thank you to everybody who has contributed to answering my question!
David K - re. Rancho Concepcion, I wish! Beautiful! I'm sure it will be sold before we're ready, but wow! It does look like it's some type of nature
preserve, which means there are likely to be limits imposed on agricultural use, so even if the timing and price were right, I'm not sure something
like that would meet our needs.
Mula, I'll look into the San Javier area. Thanks!
Dennis, I just spent maybe 30 minutes trying to find the exact number of acres a foreigner can own in Mexico, and the information is a bit elusive. I
think this link provides a type of guide: http://www.mexicolaw.com/LawInfo16.htm It looks here that by way of Mexican corporation, one can own 100 acres of agrarian land for livestock use,
more for various types of farming. Of course when the time comes, we'll need to consult with professionals, but for now that can be a sort of
guideline for me.
SFandH, thank you for a tip on possible land near Mulege. I spent a few minutes researching ejido land, and it appears that more and more ejido land
is becoming available for private sale through its dis-incorporation and title release to the ejido community members who hold parcels. In reference
to flooding, is this specific to the Mulege area?
LaTijerita, thanks for the tip and the link!
Clifford, rumor has surfaced that Pancho Villa's death was faked, and that he is coming after the descendents of those he chased away. Watch your
back! 
Bajaguy, proximity to the border might be a convenience in terms of family visits, but wouldn't override other considerations. Being near a city would
have certain advantages if I end up teaching for a few years before retirement. I think it would also add appeal to my kids, and maybe other visitors.
I'm not so much interested in being near a Walmart or Costco or expat communities.
Bruce R. Leech, thanks for the tip on Rancho El Tecolote. Do you have a link to a description of the property?
durrellrobert, I appreciate your ideas for income potential. Thank you.
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DebMer
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Oh my goodness, I'm officially in love with that San Ignacio property!!!
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by DebMer |
SFandH, thank you for a tip on possible land near Mulege. I spent a few minutes researching ejido land, and it appears that more and more ejido land
is becoming available for private sale through its dis-incorporation and title release to the ejido community members who hold parcels. In reference
to flooding, is this specific to the Mulege area?
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Ejidos can go through a privatization process where members of the ejido get titles to lots after surveying is complete. The property then switches to
private property. Make sure you know all about it.
Areas in the valley west of Mulege flood during tropical storms.
Hire a bilingual Mexican attorney to represent your interests before you sign any papers. They can be found in the larger cities on the peninsula.
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DebMer
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
Ejidos can go through a privatization process where members of the ejido get titles to lots after surveying is complete. The property then switches to
private property. Make sure you know all about it.
Areas in the valley west of Mulege flood during tropical storms.
Hire a bilingual Mexican attorney to represent your interests before you sign any papers. They can be found in the larger cities on the peninsula.
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Yes, I definitely see the wisdom in having legal representation in a home purchase abroad.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: Originally posted by DebMer | Thank you to everybody who has contributed to answering my question!
Dennis, I just spent maybe 30 minutes trying to find the exact number of acres a foreigner can own in Mexico, and the information is a bit elusive. I
think this link provides a type of guide: http://www.mexicolaw.com/LawInfo16.htm It looks here that by way of Mexican corporation, one can own 100 acres of agrarian land for livestock use,
more for various types of farming. |
Corporations must be formed and maintained by set standards. One doesn't go down and join the club. Some here[and elsewhere] make it sound so
simple, but it's a process.
Good luck on your adventure.
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