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motoged
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Baja Nomads: A Possible Explanation
I seem to have come across a possible explanation for so many posts.....mine included.
Enjoy 
http://www.wimp.com/smartnothing/
Don't believe everything you think....
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Robertofox
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Genius, simply genius!!! What more can one say? I love it!! (ok, lets not over do it).....
Happy Trails....
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fixtrauma
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I have nothing to say............!
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AKgringo
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Link to text?
I had trouble following the narrative, is there a link to a text of this important message?
I guess you could say, I got nothing out of it!
[Edited on 3-10-2015 by AKgringo]
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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wilderone
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Wow - if you wanted to sell snowballs to Eskimos, you could use the video as a teaching model for snowball salesmen.
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motoged
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Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  | I had trouble following the narrative, is there a link to a text of this important message?
I guess you could say, I got nothing out of it!
[Edited on 3-10-2015 by AKgringo] |
Not even a smile? 
Don't believe everything you think....
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AKgringo
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You got me Ged (or is it Moto?)
Yeah, I not only smiled, but chuckled a bit too! You wonder why with guys like that out there, used car dealers still think they should star in their
own commercials?
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Sweetwater
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Hmmmmm.....that started in 1984.....wonder if there's a coincidence with the book....1984........
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Nineteen Eighty-Four, sometimes published as 1984, is a dystopian novel by English author George Orwell published in 1949.[1][2] The novel is set in
Airstrip One (formerly known as Great Britain), a province of the superstate Oceania in a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance
and public manipulation, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (or Ingsoc in the government's invented language,
Newspeak) under the control of a privileged Inner Party elite, that persecutes individualism and independent thinking as "thoughtcrimes".[3]
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Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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DianaT
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I LOVED it. Thank you! 
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vgabndo
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I distinctly remember, in a heated conversation with a group of friends, when I first moved to San Diego, almost shouting: "1984 is a LOT closer then
14 years away".. It wouldn't surprise me if, as some conspiracy theorists claim, that the little camera in my lap top can be turned on without my
knowledge for an NSA look at my life. And remember...multiple surveys tell us that FOX really is the most trusted freaking name in news in the US of
A. That said, I am feeling a lot less stressed since I gave up all hope for my country.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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motoged
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Perry,
Don't give up ALL hope......yet 
As for the laptop cam.....maybe they are watching and listening....so put tape over the lens when "researching" your 53rd shade of grey
Don't believe everything you think....
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Pompano
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Yes, Hang in there, Perry, there's always hope!
Here's an interesting exercise on what we like to see on our Baja tv sets at the US news hour.
I often wonder why Nomads get so riled up by this subject? How about some 'facts' showing which news agency is the best...as in... least biased and
with no obvious agenda...and why? Can you be subjective? Or is this impossible in today's divided tv audiences?
CNN
FOX
ABC
CBS
MSNBC
OTHER?
It's all fun...and it's good to be prepared..
[Edited on 3-10-2015 by Pompano]
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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vgabndo
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No Pampano, it really isn't about which talking head on which network is telling the most lies on the boob tube. Although I admit that the disgusting
Megyn Kelly on FOX can can send me into a homicidal rage with just one of her condescending facial expressions. To me it is more about what has
happened to the country. We have allowed a tiny minority of our people to own the vast majority of the country's wealth. We have allowed them to
control our elections with their money. Our economic system is on the brink of collapse being supported by foreign loans and private banks printing
more dollars. By poisoning our water supply we've managed to temporarily stave off the consequences of running out of oil. The vast majority of the
nuclear waste we've generated is still in temporary containment because we still haven't figured out a safe way to deal with it. Our educational
attainment, compared to most civilized nations is humiliating. We have the most expensive health care on the planet because it is not a human right
but still tied to the profit motive. We have more people locked up in prison, per capita, than any nation in the world, and now we have a 'for-profit'
commercial prison industry. There are approximately 90 guns in private ownership for every 100 Americans. These weapons are concentrated in one end of
the political spectrum. There are at least 1200 paramilitary militias recognized by the FBI. The clock is ticking...
And, in a few weeks the vast majority of these Americans are going to boil chicken eggs, hide them in the yard, and tell their hapless children that
rabbits laid them, then they are going to get all dressed up and make the annual trek to a temple some place where they will look each other in the
eye and claim to believe that in the iron age a guy who had been dead for three days, crawled out of his tomb, flew off into the sky, and he has been
waiting there for just the right moment to come back down and kill everybody. One nation under God. Where rationality bats last.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Pompano
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Perry, you raise a lot of questions from a certain point of view, but my question was about why one news organization is so often vilified as opposed
to others?
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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David K
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Because one network DARES to provide the 'other side' of the slanted stories... and many fear too much information may actually create intelligent
voters!
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alacran
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Because, they opted NOT, to fall for the sad state that the US is in by not following the the game of the race card.
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motoged
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Sure enough....because it is so busy schtupping guys like you, DK
Don't believe everything you think....
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vgabndo
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For openers, Pompano, Rupert Murdoch obviously has a conservative agenda and has made sure that his media empire uses the most sophisticated
propaganda techniques to push his views. Surely no one is willing to claim that FOX news is liberal or middle of the road. As a result their FAIR AND
BALANCED logo is an insult to anyone who understands anything about legitimate journalism. When Ronald Reagan was able to get rid of the fairness
doctrine, it opened the door for "news organizations" to lie without fear of FCC sanction. The documentary "OutFOXed" offered the public a pretty
startling look at the cynical nature of FOX news balance.
It is hard to find a "newscast" on FOX. The day is full of repeated personal opinion programs with the likes of Hannity, O'Reilly, Sara Palin, Anne
Coulter, Oliver North, Megyn Kelly and a host of other people whose obvious disrespect and revulsion of anyone who doesn't think just like them
clearly separates them from legitimate journalism.
Watching their election coverage and hearing the number of times, in their excitement, they say for instance WE are winning in Florida, when they mean
the Republican candidate has a lead there, is just a clue to their brand of unbalanced coverage. (Murdoch has been a large campaign contributor to the
GOP)
They pounded WMD's into stupid people's heads to the point that millions of their viewers still believe they existed. They did the same thing trying
to undercut the President with their "birther" nonsense. They turned an unfortunate minor loss of life in Benghazi into a treasonable offense and
harped on it for months.
John Stewart and his team of writer/researchers have made a career out of calling them on their lies day after day, week after week, year after year.
I think they get picked-on because they don't even TRY to act like journalists. They are far to busy using cynical techniques to inflame their tea
party Christian Republican viewing base. That's my opinion.
[Edited on 3-12-2015 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Pompano
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Thanks for the reply, vgabndo. Forgive the late reply, but I've been after some steelhead and they take precedence to my response. Suffice to say, we
have dinner and also some successful releases.
Plus...the new software on the forum has made me re-write this about a dozen times!! Grrrr...I'm beginning to hate commas, dashes, quote marks, and
that stupid squiggly thing...
As you might surmise, I'm a history buff, appreciate and use humor, and am addicted to good news programs.
My main thought on this....Why so much avid hatred for FOX NEWS by liberals?
Seems a little over the top to me?...and so this is a subject that has always fascinated me for a couple of different reasons...these extreme liberal
attacks on BajaNomads towards FOX news. Some are forever posting degrading remarks about FOX/FAUX. I find it kind of funny.
The news media in America is the most entertaining reality show on the air. But the extreme hatred and vicious attacks by hard-core liberals on FOX
News are examples that I find most amusing of all. But amusing or not, sometimes one has to wonder why? I have some theories about it and
will tell you my reasons about why they have this reaction.
I will start off by saying that, in my opinion, all news media is biased one way or another...and any news watcher expecting unbiased news is naive.
Pure unbiased news would be like watching the plain facts coming over a stock market ticker-tape machine and would be boring as hell. Nobody would
like that...pure and simple. People seek out the sort of biased news they are most comfortable with and want to accept. We all choose our news
outlets through this bias, just as we choose our careers, friends and the kind of fishing we like best.
So, with that premise, neoconservatives of all types are attracted to FOX. It's more agreeable to them than what they see on other networks.
Liberals go to MSNBC and such for the same reasons. However, for me it's interesting to see how conservatives and liberals each react to the chosen
news source of the other.
Now, my reasons for liberals hating FOX News so much more than conservatives hating the liberal news networks.
First, FOX broke the monopoly. Like it or not, until they came on the scene all the networks had a left-wing or liberal bias. When FOX started, they
made a point of having a conservative and a liberal point of view where possible. Naturally, FOX slanted itself towards the conservative side of
things. They became popular because the liberal left had dominated the news for so long without being challenged. Their bias had become exposed and
freedom-minded America did not like it . They turned to FOX not because they provided an unbiased view , but because at least now they had a choice.
Second, FOX News shattered the liberals echo chamber. The liberals were so used to having their bias accepted and not challenged, that now they were
put into a position of having to defend their beliefs/propaganda. Some were not so good at that...I know one personally...and some of their beliefs
were indefensible. So, FOX News presented just the opposite of libs like Bill Maher's old and sometimes current show. If you remember, his formula
was to invite 3 or 4 liberals on and 1 conservative and then all would take turns bashing the solo conservative. Actual facts were never the
issue...it was all about ruining the dumb conservative who will never make any headway. FOX did just the opposite, and liberals hated being on the
recieving end. FOX News changed that relationship on the national level and became very popular with the American public. They could now find that
a whole lot of folks would support them in their views and of course became less afraid to challenge the left wing. Along with this, liberals who
were so used to the self-assured confidence that came from never having to actually justify the spin they preached, had their world shattered.
Third,(and you should like this one, vgabndo..because it involves Megan Kelly, that rather good-looking newswoman you so vehemently degrade?)
FOX News put hot women on the air..wait! let me yell out a affirming YAA-HOO! Hah..remember back in college when it was assumed that all the really
hot chicks were liberals? That was a hoot...let me tell you it was a hard job convincing a real Foxy-lib that I was not a hard-core Christian in
disguise and against pre-marital sex..
FOX News put good-looking women on the air who challenged the liberal view of conservative women...meaning 'hags' that couldn't have any more kids and
were obsessed with stopping abortion. Well, all these females were no different in thier collective vacuity than from any other talking heads on
other networks. But, they are almost always better looking. Perfect tool for gaining more viewership, right? Putting all the personality and
political views aside, on a purely visual basis, Megan Kelly, Laura Ingraham, Anne Coulter, Julie Banderas, Andrea Tanteros, Juliet Huddy,
etc..they're all primo Foxes. Some may get a bit long in the tooth, no doubt, but for pure eye candy, they're all winners. It was a good ploy and
men all over America loved it. I know I did....and it meant I could find women to listen to who were not raging liberal femiN-zi types.
Hmmm...I wonder if Megan would accept an invite to go on a cruise to discuss all this?
So, in the end, I just think that liberals have to just get over it. FOX News is no more or less biased than the hype you watch, no less or more
reliable, and no more or less right in their analysis programs. A significant portion of the American public disagrees with you, and does not think
California and New York should dictate to the rest of the country on how to run their lives and do business. Remember when liberals began hitting the
roof over when talk radio came around? I didn't even know about it until I heard all the complaining...had to search around AM for God's sake..who
would have thought you could find anything there except static and baseball?
Adding to this, I really don't know why liberals should ever complain about media bias. They control almost every media outlet on the planet. They
have most networks in their pocket..CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC...who am I leaving out?...the near entire academic world, tons of big papers (Times, San
Francisco Chronicle, etc, etc) and almost all analysis programs. Heck, they even have a comedy show...which, sadly, many seem to think is the real
news.
Conservatives have FOX News, The Wall Street Journal, and AM radio. That is hardly a media coupe and liberals should just get over that fact.
And if liberals are so tolerant and non-judgmental, I have to wonder at the viciousness of their attacks on people for doing just what they have been
able to do for so many years...which is to pick their own most agreeable form of bias to listen to and with which to affirm and bond.
There is not much difference between Piers Morgan and Bill O'Reilly..except for their ratings!
Ah yes, those ratings! That might be the 'real' reason liberals hate FOX News.
It's plain that many more Americans watch FOX and think liberals are wrong, and that public is willing to say so out loud and in the open now. An
ever present reminder that FOX represents a conservative interest in the world that liberals can no longer shout down or intimadate. That got to chap
their burros quite a bit.
I could give you 40-50 honest examples of how the Liberal media is biased, but this is long enough as it is. Like someone once said, I don't have the
talent to make it any shorter.
And so that's my opinion also, but I've tried to be as 'fair and balanced' as I can..and without being unkind and calling names.
I've always believed in the old adage that 'Rudeness is a weak man's show of strength."
Hope your day goes extremely well.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Sweetwater
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Roger,
One of my sons is a Creative Writer at the Masters level. He has steered me to a number of analysis of how people across the globe get their "news"
and how valid that news content can be. Some people put their values ahead of actual facts and that has been the biggest documented issue with the FOX
brand of news. There is much more opinion stated within any of their programs than there is actual news content. Huge analysis here: http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2005/overview/
Bottom line of FOX content analysis: The Project on Excellence in Journalism report in 2006 showed that 68 percent of Fox cable stories contained
personal opinions, as compared to MSNBC at 27 percent and CNN at 4 percent. The "content analysis" portion of their 2005 report also concluded that
"Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air."
These figures which are tabulated and verified through that very long and exhaustive research are in direct conflict with what FOX presents and would
have people actually believe. By the measurements of objective journalism, they are the least accurate and most biased source that the public is
exposed to. Oh well, hope it doesn't ruin anyones day or come as a big surprise to the uninformed......
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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