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Japanese-Mexicans in WWII and what U.S. did...
In my search for more data on the radar base in San Felipe and the Telephone Pole Line and roads we built to San Felipe in 1942 for the defense of
California, I found this article, and it was most interesting. The Japanese decedents in both the U.S. and Mexico did not get a fair break.
Here is just one part of the article:
"Furthermore, in March, 1942, the Mexican government allowed the entrance of US soldiers into Cd. Juárez with the purpose of searching several
residences of Mexican Japanese families. As a result, 15 Japanese and Mexican Japanese men were interrogated in the Mexican garrison by Mexican and
United States army officers."
LINK: http://scholarworks.sjsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=101...
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Interesting--especially the poems.
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Is this a lead up to how ''big government'' is at fault?
Oops, yes, that was FDR and his big government crew.
Is that where this is going?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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David K
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No Lee, this is the Historical Interests forum, and not about current events.
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David, I think it's great that you are reading scholarly work from one of those liberal, socialist college professors. Impressive!
I've read and studied quite a bit about the Japanese internment camps here in the States. I feel many Muslim Americans are being treated very
similarly. If only people would learn from history.
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Appreciated the article. Didn't know this also occurred in Mexico.
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Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  | David, I think it's great that you are reading scholarly work from one of those liberal, socialist college professors. Impressive!
I've read and studied quite a bit about the Japanese internment camps here in the States. I feel many Muslim Americans are being treated very
similarly. If only people would learn from history. |
BB,
Good points.....it gets scary when an ethnic group becomes the Boogyman as a generalization. Too bad we seem to always need to have an "enemy" to
protect ourselves from. Clearly some folks are the Bad Guys....no question there.....but the generalizing can get dangerous.
Canada had a similar internment camp process for Canadian Japanese during WWII.....many lost their homes. businesses, and property/possessions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPnwlNvwBLI
Don't believe everything you think....
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It's the tribal mentality that got us here and no amount of social engineering will change that. At least not until the aliens arrive and land on the
White House lawn. Maybe then we can pull together, but it is highly unlikely.
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Yep....gotta pick our tribal affiliations carefully.
Don't believe everything you think....
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It is especially disturbing that the Japanese, the most productive and contributing minority group, and least demanding of social benefits were
treated this way. Unlike other minority groups today, they are hardly even considered to be in need of the "free stuff", and continue to be among the
brightest and most productive US citizens today.
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | It is especially disturbing that the Japanese, the most productive and contributing minority group, and least demanding of social benefits were
treated this way. Unlike other minority groups today, they are hardly even considered to be in need of the "free stuff", and continue to be among the
brightest and most productive US citizens today. |
Nothing like racially stereotyping....so how do you feel about other minority groups?
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | David, I think it's great that you are reading scholarly work from one of those liberal, socialist college professors. Impressive!
I've read and studied quite a bit about the Japanese internment camps here in the States. I feel many Muslim Americans are being treated very
similarly. If only people would learn from history. |
BB,
Good points.....it gets scary when an ethnic group becomes the Boogyman as a generalization. Too bad we seem to always need to have an "enemy" to
protect ourselves from. Clearly some folks are the Bad Guys....no question there.....but the generalizing can get dangerous.
Canada had a similar internment camp process for Canadian Japanese during WWII.....many lost their homes. businesses, and property/possessions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPnwlNvwBLI |
Pick up Joy Kogawa's book Obasan Ged. Hate it when I cannot emphasize
on this forum.
Canada was worse than U.S. apparently. She wrote beautifully and intelligently about the losses, interments, breaking of families...
I have a VanDweller friend who made it her mission to visit every interment camp in ConUS as a reason to be doing her traveling. Law enforcement was
happier with her explanation that she was a social scientist examining an important part of American history than I'm just wandering around free in my
country, which doesn't compute with many of them.
Fascinating revelation and she saw the whole country.
Had another friend who decided to kayak all the states as a VanDweller. Drove to all but Hawaii and flew there. Her last name is swankie and their is
a blog out there with swankiewheels that I gave Whale-ista.
Anyway Ged, sweet and informative read Highly rec.
They both have SD plates. Good service and a moneymaker for SD.
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Cisco,
Thanks for the book tip. I have had some opportunities to talk with Canadians of Japanese ancestry affected by the internment camp projects in
British Columbia....and learned by listening.
My sensitivity to such issues started with conversations in my youth with relatives who are/were holocaust survivors in Europe ....never had a chance
to listen to those who were murdered.
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | It is especially disturbing that the Japanese, the most productive and contributing minority group, and least demanding of social benefits were
treated this way. Unlike other minority groups today, they are hardly even considered to be in need of the "free stuff", and continue to be among the
brightest and most productive US citizens today. |
Nothing like racially stereotyping....so how do you feel about other minority groups? |
To name a few more....Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans....largely academically, and professionally successful as a group....hmm, seems to be predominantly
Asian. Mexicans largely have a admirable work ethic and contribute positively to the economy. Sorry, it is what it is, and I fail to find any of these
qualities in researching Dearborn MI, the largest Muslim enclave in the U.S. Honor killings, religious intolerance, abuse of women, refusal to conform
to US law, etc. etc.
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^^^agreed, as a generalization^^^
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The internment of the Japanese and Japanese Americans during WWII was something Gov. Warren regretted the rest of his life. It was the culmination of
a history of bigotry and discrimination against the Japanese in California. Like the Chinese, the Japanese were brought to California for cheap
labor.
But then in the early 1900s California started passing laws that denied them the right to buy land, Then came the federal laws that denied them the
right to become citizens, and finally a total ban on immigration from Japan --- all encouraged by the government in California. So while there were
no instances of espionage, with the urging of the California, the federal order to round them all up, citizens or not. It was an opportunity for a
major property grab and get rid of what many saw as the "undesirables".
The Governor of Hawaii refused to follow the order and there was a much larger Japanese population there and they are certainly closer to Japan. But
he knew they were loyal to the USA and were needed for the economy.
There was a very small camp, but the overwhelming majority were not.
And when the government started to allow the young men in the camps join the military, the 442nd Regiment became highly decorated.
Imagine fighting a war for a country that has your family held behind barbed wire. It really is a black mark in our history, and in the history of
Canada. And the Hawaii example demonstrates how it was just a matter of the times, it was a matter of bigotry.
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| Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view | | It's the tribal mentality that got us here and no amount of social engineering will change that. At least not until the aliens arrive and land on the
White House lawn. Maybe then we can pull together, but it is highly unlikely. |
That is exactly why we are still seeing racism in the so-called post racial society. As much as I wish that it would go away, I'm worried that the
tribal instinct is so innate that we will always face it.
I actually participated in the Selma to Montgomery march. I knew Bill Clinton at Georgetown, from where we embarked on buses to Alabama.
Conspicuously, not present on the buses was Bill Clinton.
There have been many improvements since then, a major force was of all people Lyndon Johnson.
But alas, I don't think it will ever go away.
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | It is especially disturbing that the Japanese, the most productive and contributing minority group, and least demanding of social benefits were
treated this way. Unlike other minority groups today, they are hardly even considered to be in need of the "free stuff", and continue to be among the
brightest and most productive US citizens today. |
Nothing like racially stereotyping....so how do you feel about other minority groups? |
To name a few more....Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans....largely academically, and professionally successful as a group....hmm, seems to be predominantly
Asian. Mexicans largely have a admirable work ethic and contribute positively to the economy. Sorry, it is what it is, and I fail to find any of these
qualities in researching Dearborn MI, the largest Muslim enclave in the U.S. Honor killings, religious intolerance, abuse of women, refusal to conform
to US law, etc. etc. |
Just a heads-up, Muslim is a religion not a race Seems like you're
drinking a bit too much Kook Aid amigo with your generalizations.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | The internment of the Japanese and Japanese Americans during WWII was something Gov. Warren regretted the rest of his life. It was the culmination of
a history of bigotry and discrimination against the Japanese in California. Like the Chinese, the Japanese were brought to California for cheap
labor.
But then in the early 1900s California started passing laws that denied them the right to buy land, Then came the federal laws that denied them the
right to become citizens, and finally a total ban on immigration from Japan --- all encouraged by the government in California. So while there were
no instances of espionage, with the urging of the California, the federal order to round them all up, citizens or not. It was an opportunity for a
major property grab and get rid of what many saw as the "undesirables".
The Governor of Hawaii refused to follow the order and there was a much larger Japanese population there and they are certainly closer to Japan. But
he knew they were loyal to the USA and were needed for the economy.
There was a very small camp, but the overwhelming majority were not.
And when the government started to allow the young men in the camps join the military, the 442nd Regiment became highly decorated.
Imagine fighting a war for a country that has your family held behind barbed wire. It really is a black mark in our history, and in the history of
Canada. And the Hawaii example demonstrates how it was just a matter of the times, it was a matter of bigotry. |
SO we would not appear too bigoted, we rounded up some of German and Italian ancestry as well. Took their land and put them in camps as well. They
were suspect.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | It is especially disturbing that the Japanese, the most productive and contributing minority group, and least demanding of social benefits were
treated this way. Unlike other minority groups today, they are hardly even considered to be in need of the "free stuff", and continue to be among the
brightest and most productive US citizens today. |
Nothing like racially stereotyping....so how do you feel about other minority groups? |
To name a few more....Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans....largely academically, and professionally successful as a group....hmm, seems to be predominantly
Asian. Mexicans largely have a admirable work ethic and contribute positively to the economy. Sorry, it is what it is, and I fail to find any of these
qualities in researching Dearborn MI, the largest Muslim enclave in the U.S. Honor killings, religious intolerance, abuse of women, refusal to conform
to US law, etc. etc. |
Just a heads-up, Muslim is a religion not a race Seems like you're
drinking a bit too much Kook Aid amigo with your generalizations.
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Brilliant observation .I'm sure you would hardly be a match for me in knowledge of middle eastern tribes and cultures, so I won't waste anymore time
with you.You libs always resort to biting and scratching and spitting,and name calling, wasting everyone's time and showing your ignorance. My five
years in Saudi Arabia as a defense adviser taught me more than I wanted to know, so I won't waste anymore time debating an uninformed lib.
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