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Chupacabra
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Where is Baja gasoline refined?
As far as I'm aware there are no refineries in Baja. I'm wondering where the gas we purchase there is actually refined. I know the US is a major
exporter of refined gasoline (though an importer of crude oil), so is the PEMEX gas in Baja actually US-refined gas or do they bring it over somehow
from the Mainland?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Udo
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The PEMEX we are used to seeing and using is actually refined in the US.
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chuckie
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How do you know that?
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Bajahowodd
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Actually, the gas used in BC is from Texas refineries. I am not certain about the demarcation line, but the gas in BCS is coming over from the
mainland.
[Edited on 5-7-2015 by Bajahowodd]
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bajagrouper
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I remember seeing a Pemex truck coming of the Maz/la Paz ferry a few years ago.
I hear the whales song
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BajaGeoff
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Doug (BajaNomad) could speak to this. His family was in the gas business a while back. I remember him saying that the gas in Baja does in fact
originate in the US. The main difference you will find here in the states is the additives each company (ExxonMobil/Arco/Valero etc.) puts in their
gas.
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David K
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I think I recall that the two Baja's state border is the dividing line for gasoline shipped to La Paz (Pichilingue) storage facility from the mainland
vs. gas in Baja (norte) that is delivered from either the El Sauzal (Ensenada) or Mexicali storage facility, which they get both via pipelines.
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durrelllrobert
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The sixth largest refinery in the United States.
In February 1993, Shell Oil Company and PMI Norteamerica, S.A. de C.V., a subsidiary of Petroleos Mexicanos (Pemex), formed a 50-50
joint venture--Deer Park Refining Limited Partnership (DPRLP)--and in March 2001 completed a $1 billion capital upgrade. The project improved DPRLP’s
global competitiveness, operating efficiency and long-term economic viability while significantly reducing air emissions.
The assets of the refinery are managed and operated by Shell Oil Company through Shell Deer Park Refining Company, a division of Shell Oil Products
Company, a Shell Oil subsidiary located in Deer Park, Texas.
Today, Shell Deer Park is home to the sixth largest refinery in the United States with a crude oil capacity of 340,000 barrels a day (42 gallons per
barrel).
www.shell.us/.../deerpark/about-deer-park.html
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bajabuddha
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Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert  | The sixth largest refinery in the United States.
In February 1993, Shell Oil Company and PMI Norteamerica, S.A. de C.V., a subsidiary of Petroleos Mexicanos (Pemex), formed a 50-50
joint venture--Deer Park Refining Limited Partnership (DPRLP)--and in March 2001 completed a $1 billion capital upgrade. The project improved DPRLP’s
global competitiveness, operating efficiency and long-term economic viability while significantly reducing air emissions.
The assets of the refinery are managed and operated by Shell Oil Company through Shell Deer Park Refining Company, a division of Shell Oil Products
Company, a Shell Oil subsidiary located in Deer Park, Texas.
Today, Shell Deer Park is home to the sixth largest refinery in the United States with a crude oil capacity of 340,000 barrels a day (42 gallons per
barrel).
www.shell.us/.../deerpark/about-deer-park.html |
Bob, quit hinting and beating around the bush... don'tcha have any solid FACTS? (iist joshin'!!)
Used to was, gas would come into Sta. Rosalia by barge, don't think so any more with the new mining. If the seas were bad, no gas for a few days in
the vicinity. I'm sure it's all different now.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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Pescador
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David is right, all gas south of El Rosario comes from La Paz (Pichilingue) and from El Rosario north it comes from the Ensenada terminal.
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captkw
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Gas
And its better (today) than what they sell in ca. with Ethanol crap..that kills motors and fuel systems
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by Pescador | | David is right, all gas south of El Rosario comes from La Paz (Pichilingue) and from El Rosario north it comes from the Ensenada terminal.
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Thanks for the support...
Just for the Nomads that like to mis-quote me or find my errors, what I said that all gas in the state of Baja (norte) comes from the north depots,
and the gas from the Eagle Monument south comes from La Paz. Although it wouldn't surprise me if Villa Jesus Maria was an exception (somehow I don't
think it is?). Bahia de los Angeles and Gonzaga Pemex gas comes from the north, and they are both south of El Rosario.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by captkw | | And its better (today) than what they sell in ca. with Ethanol crap..that kills motors and fuel systems |
Amen brother!
Now, if only all the stations' pumps were honest like Baja Cactus in El Rosario, we could easily calculate the improved mileage we get with ethanol
free fuel.
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pemex
I always top up/off at V.J.M. and avoid GN at all costs if I can,,,
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chuckie
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Sounds like Mr. Gomez...."The water? It comes from God"
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Bob and Susan
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IMO all gas is the same...
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Ateo
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Soon we can all top off at BOLA turnoff.
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David K
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Any photos of this new station under construction? Will it be at the old Parador station building?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Chupacabra | As far as I'm aware there are no refineries in Baja. I'm wondering where the gas we purchase there is actually refined. I know the US is a major
exporter of refined gasoline (though an importer of crude oil), so is the PEMEX gas in Baja actually US-refined gas or do they bring it over somehow
from the Mainland?
Inquiring minds want to know. |
I've been looking for the most recent gasoline production numbers out of the Salina Cruz refinery in Oaxaca - but haven't found them yet. Mexico's
intent is to increase what they're doing on the Pacific-side (with a number of things). I'm too far removed from the fuel business now to consistently
follow updates with this.
Salina Cruz is the only Pemex refinery on the west coast of Mexico. My understanding was that they didn't previously produce gasoline there (or, not
enough for Baja California) - and that the gasoline in Baja (and perhaps more of the Pacific-side) was coming out of Los Angeles. This is for
gasoline, not diesel - as Salina Cruz has apparently produced plenty of diesel over time.
I believe the gasoline production numbers out of Salina Cruz have increased over time - but am unaware if they're enough to cover the entire west
coast. It's highly unlikely thay are doing so right now however, which would imply they still obtain some amount of gasoline out of L.A.
Motor fuels for Baja California are brought in at terminals in Rosarito and La Paz. There are pipelines from Rosarito to terminals in Mexicali and
Ensenada. From La Paz, Rosarito, Ensenada, and Mexicali, fuels are transported by truck to Pemex fuel stations.
Here's a previous post in regards to this topic (somewhat) - from 2011:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=49406&pag...
Mexico's been working on upgrading their fleet of ocean-going tankers in the pasts few years:
http://www.laprensasa.com/309_america-in-english/1985189_mex...
Mexico also decided to not build a new refinery and reconfigure a present one (Tula):
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pemex-opts-for-4-6-billion-refin...
The above article also notes:
"By 2017, Pemex will stop being the monopoly supplier of gasoline and diesel in Mexico under a broad energy reform signed into law this year that will
allow holders of Pemex service-station franchises to buy the fuels on the open market, and allow new gasoline station brands to be opened."
[Edited on 5-8-2015 by BajaNomad]
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