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Earthbag homes
I already posted this topic in the building forum, however I think I may get more feedback here at Q & A. So anyway, I've been looking into these
things recently and would be interested to know if anyone has an experience or knows of anyone who has built one of these things (particularly in the
La Paz/Todos Santos region...)
Many thanks in advance.
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chippy
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Why build one? There must be thousands of dirt bag homes on the market.
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I saw an earthbag home from a boat on the coast near El Cardonal. I googled it and found this blog/website. Might be worth contacting the owner for
the info.
http://casadelasdomas.com/Casa_de_las_Domas/Hootenanny_In_Ba...
Also, I've seen an earthbag place under construction north of Los Barriles on the hillside. Good luck. Earthbag construction is incredible!
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Welcome to Nomads Higo, thanks for your input.
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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https://calearth.org/
This type of construction was approved by the County of San Bernardino a while ago. The link I provided is a excellent starting point for discovery of
this technology. Cal Earth is the founder of earth bag construction.
It's a perfect way to build a home in Baja. Lots of sand as the main material..... barbwire and a little bit of lumber. Best part of this is that any
casual labor can help build a sandbag house.
Cal Earth has on site classes with accommodation for extended stays at their Mohave Desert complex.
In Pete's Camp.....8 miles north of San Felipe.....there is a perfect site to visit....as it is still under construction.
Pictures of various construction sites: http://tinyurl.com/pjlq5yx
Quote: Originally posted by Bendrix11  | I already posted this topic in the building forum, however I think I may get more feedback here at Q & A. So anyway, I've been looking into these
things recently and would be interested to know if anyone has an experience or knows of anyone who has built one of these things (particularly in the
La Paz/Todos Santos region...)
Many thanks in advance. |
[Edited on 7-24-2015 by mcfez]
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mtgoat666
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The dirt bag homes don't look like they have any ability to withstand seismic shaking
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mcfez
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Actually....they do...and got approved for seismic.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Bob and Susan
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that's not exactly what their website says...
they're not "approved" but
one building site was
this experimental construction
my thought...(water and dirt)= disaster
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mcfez
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Kind of like those adobe houses. right? Dirt/water 
Approved. Not sure what pieces of the information you are taking.....but in the whole light...it clearly states approved....in many locations. Just
like any other new engineering tech....one must provide additional data for planning approval. So......this IS a approved system.
"........The best example of code approval in seismic areas of California is the work done at CalEarth, near Hesperia. They have actually designed and
helped construct an earthbag public building for the city, and the system was required to undergo extensive testing to be sanctioned by the
authorities. Since then they have sold similar designs for complex dome structures that have been code approved in various other states".
Details on various stress tests:
http://www.earthbagbuilding.com/testing.htm
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using earth bags alone with out support structure appears that single story is about the limit.
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I actually like the designs but all the pictures of this stuff shows un-finished houses...
I wonder how many people finish...it only takes 10 weeks...but...it looks like the houses are NEVER done.
today I took a sock out back and filled it with dry dirt...
I then tied the end
then I put the hose to it...wow...what a muddy mess
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http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1287410
Three man crew.
It's actually an concept that you should research. It seems that the resort you have built down there....this concept would be great for your site.
You do have sand, right :-)
Before washing that ol sock out.....use plaster to the exterior. Good discussion, txs.
| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | I actually like the designs but all the pictures of this stuff shows un-finished houses...
I wonder how many people finish...it only takes 10 weeks...but...it looks like the houses are NEVER done.
today I took a sock out back and filled it with dry dirt...
I then tied the end
then I put the hose to it...wow...what a muddy mess |
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Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Bob and Susan
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I agree plaster but not a regular plaster...
regular plaster sucks in water...a lot
it would have to be a hardened plaster with a sealer in it...
AND
use the paper with chicken wire for a scratch coat before the plaster
AND
if you do that i'd stay with conventional block and castillos because the population understands this
I like the idea and the weird designs but acceptance might a problem for later sales
I wonder what the straw-bale houses look like now...
maybe cracked and crumbly and moldy
this time im not "in"
not proven yet and too many "unfinished" projects
no need to reinvent the wheel in Baja...there's enough unfinished projects here now
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Minor hijack
| Quote: Originally posted by mcfez | https://calearth.org/
This type of construction was approved by the County of San Bernardino a while ago. The link I provided is a excellent starting point for discovery of
this technology. Cal Earth is the founder of earth bag construction.
It's a perfect way to build a home in Baja. Lots of sand as the main material..... barbwire and a little bit of lumber. Best part of this is that any
casual labor can help build a sandbag house.
Cal Earth has on site classes with accommodation for extended stays at their Mohave Desert complex.
In Pete's Camp.....8 miles north of San Felipe.....there is a perfect site to visit....as it is still under construction.
Pictures of various construction sites: http://tinyurl.com/pjlq5yx
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Back in 1970 I drew plans for a guy that had a cinder cone on his property just off highway 395 in Kern County. He set 8 foot long metal poles at 10
foot on center and stung barbedwire between them at 2 fooot intevals.. Then he built 2 foot high x 16" deep wooden forms on all sides. He also built
and set wooden frames for all window and door openings as well as PVC electrical conduit.
Next he mixed 3 cubic yards of volcanic cinder with water and 1 shovel of cement and poured and tamped that in the forms on all 4 sides. After that
mix had set he raised the forms another 2 feet and repeated the process until he reahed the top of the 8 foot walls, setting the window/door forms and
PVC conduit in the right location as he went along.
After much debate the county of Kern approved those plans and the structure still stands today.
This option eliminates the need for baging sand.
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert | | Quote: Originally posted by mcfez | https://calearth.org/
This type of construction was approved by the County of San Bernardino a while ago. The link I provided is a excellent starting point for discovery of
this technology. Cal Earth is the founder of earth bag construction.
It's a perfect way to build a home in Baja. Lots of sand as the main material..... barbwire and a little bit of lumber. Best part of this is that any
casual labor can help build a sandbag house.
Cal Earth has on site classes with accommodation for extended stays at their Mohave Desert complex.
In Pete's Camp.....8 miles north of San Felipe.....there is a perfect site to visit....as it is still under construction.
Pictures of various construction sites: http://tinyurl.com/pjlq5yx
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Back in 1970 I drew plans for a guy that had a cinder cone on his property just off highway 395 in Kern County. He set 8 foot long metal poles at 10
foot on center and stung barbedwire between them at 2 fooot intevals.. Then he built 2 foot high x 16" deep wooden forms on all sides. He also built
and set wooden frames for all window and door openings as well as PVC electrical conduit.
Next he mixed 3 cubic yards of volcanic cinder with water and 1 shovel of cement and poured and tamped that in the forms on all 4 sides. After that
mix had set he raised the forms another 2 feet and repeated the process until he reahed the top of the 8 foot walls, setting the window/door forms and
PVC conduit in the right location as he went along.
After much debate the county of Kern approved those plans and the structure still stands today.
This option eliminates the need for baging sand. |
Look at most every large earthquake in the news. The poorly reinforced concrete and masonry buildings fall down.
You say the county approved it after much debate. The county probably just gave in and said "whatever" as they have no liability for homeowners
foolishness. Also, in 1970 how advanced was the seismic engineering and CA bldg regs for houses?
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I filled enough sand bags in Viet Nam --I'll pass on earth bag home
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert | | Quote: Originally posted by mcfez | https://calearth.org/
This type of construction was approved by the County of San Bernardino a while ago. The link I provided is a excellent starting point for discovery of
this technology. Cal Earth is the founder of earth bag construction.
It's a perfect way to build a home in Baja. Lots of sand as the main material..... barbwire and a little bit of lumber. Best part of this is that any
casual labor can help build a sandbag house.
Cal Earth has on site classes with accommodation for extended stays at their Mohave Desert complex.
In Pete's Camp.....8 miles north of San Felipe.....there is a perfect site to visit....as it is still under construction.
Pictures of various construction sites: http://tinyurl.com/pjlq5yx
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Back in 1970 I drew plans for a guy that had a cinder cone on his property just off highway 395 in Kern County. He set 8 foot long metal poles at 10
foot on center and stung barbedwire between them at 2 fooot intevals.. Then he built 2 foot high x 16" deep wooden forms on all sides. He also built
and set wooden frames for all window and door openings as well as PVC electrical conduit.
Next he mixed 3 cubic yards of volcanic cinder with water and 1 shovel of cement and poured and tamped that in the forms on all 4 sides. After that
mix had set he raised the forms another 2 feet and repeated the process until he reahed the top of the 8 foot walls, setting the window/door forms and
PVC conduit in the right location as he went along.
After much debate the county of Kern approved those plans and the structure still stands today.
This option eliminates the need for baging sand. |
Look at most every large earthquake in the news. The poorly reinforced concrete and masonry buildings fall down.
You say the county approved it after much debate. The county probably just gave in and said "whatever" as they have no liability for homeowners
foolishness. Also, in 1970 how advanced was the seismic engineering and CA bldg regs for houses?
[Edited on 7-25-2015 by mtgoat666] |
Goat.....the city bought one :-)
"They have actually designed and helped construct an earthbag public building for the city, and the system was required to undergo extensive testing
to be sanctioned by the authorities. "
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Hell of a interesting tech. The problem with this paper concept is....there aint no paper in Baja! A lime paint coating is used....same stuff that
they used to use on the eastern coast back in the early days.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Building-a-Dome-out-of-Paper...
| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | I agree plaster but not a regular plaster...
regular plaster sucks in water...a lot
it would have to be a hardened plaster with a sealer in it...
AND
use the paper with chicken wire for a scratch coat before the plaster
AND
if you do that i'd stay with conventional block and castillos because the population understands this
I like the idea and the weird designs but acceptance might a problem for later sales
I wonder what the straw-bale houses look like now...
maybe cracked and crumbly and moldy
this time im not "in"
not proven yet and too many "unfinished" projects
no need to reinvent the wheel in Baja...there's enough unfinished projects here now |
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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The old sodies that the settlers used in the 1800's in the plains states, some are still there,, big thick walls i think clay, straw or grass etc...
I have old school chums still living in the ones there family built a 100 years ago in the okie panhandle...
of course probably have never dealt with much of an earthquake...
Then there are some now called rammed earth homes... don't know much about that process...
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| Quote: Originally posted by mcfez | Hell of a interesting tech. The problem with this paper concept is....there aint no paper in Baja! A lime paint coating is used....same stuff that
they used to use on the eastern coast back in the early days.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Building-a-Dome-out-of-Paper...
| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | I agree plaster but not a regular plaster...
regular plaster sucks in water...a lot
it would have to be a hardened plaster with a sealer in it...
AND
use the paper with chicken wire for a scratch coat before the plaster
AND
if you do that i'd stay with conventional block and castillos because the population understands this
I like the idea and the weird designs but acceptance might a problem for later sales
I wonder what the straw-bale houses look like now...
maybe cracked and crumbly and moldy
this time im not "in"
not proven yet and too many "unfinished" projects
no need to reinvent the wheel in Baja...there's enough unfinished projects here now |
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For a good lime plaster, hot lime is needed, not the hydrated type they sell in bags but the kind that needs
to be slaked. An emulsion made from cholla or nopal, chopped and soaked in water, is added.
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