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David K
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San or Santo Junípero ?
Padre Serra, who founded the first Franciscan California mission in Baja, before San Diego, was made a saint today. So, that brings up the question of
when is a male saint Santo or San, in Spanish?
Santo Tomás
San Vicente, etc.
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Bob53
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San before names of masculine saints except those beginning with D or T so it would be San Junípero.
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Santa Claus - my favorite saint.
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by SFandH]
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Quote: Originally posted by Bob53  | | San before names of masculine saints except those beginning with D or T so it would be San Junípero. |
That doesn't jive with San Diego!
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Serra was just as corrupt as the Spanish government. Why not canonize pedophile priests too?
“The church’s treatment of California Indians clearly sends the message that they believe that evangelizing is saintly behavior even if it means the
destruction, domination and the stealing of land of indigenous people,” Valentin Lopez, chairman of the Amah Mutsun Tribal Band, said at a news
conference Tuesday at a Washington ,D.C., church.''
http://www.religionnews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-canonize...
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Well, that didn't take long
| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | Serra was just as corrupt as the Spanish government. Why not canonize pedophile priests too?
“The church’s treatment of California Indians clearly sends the message that they believe that evangelizing is saintly behavior even if it means the
destruction, domination and the stealing of land of indigenous people,” Valentin Lopez, chairman of the Amah Mutsun Tribal Band, said at a news
conference Tuesday at a Washington ,D.C., church.''
http://www.religionnews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-canonize... |
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Don't forget, you need to judge the person's actions according to the beliefs/ethics/morals of the time they lived, not according to current beliefs,
which have evolved.
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by SFandH]
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Gotta keep folks in the real world . Thanks Lee
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I'm all for keeping things real.
As long as DK promotes politics and religion on this forum, I'll have something negative to say about both.
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Spanish grammar = Politics and Religion?
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Original post is one major troll. And it appears to be working.
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David K
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Seriously, Lee, the question was which form of the Spanish word for saint applies to the name Junípero. That the headline news is about the famous
Franciscan missionary of the 1700's of California history is what prompted me to ask.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Padre Serra, who founded the first Franciscan California mission in Baja, before San Diego, was made a saint today. So, that brings up the question of
when is a male saint Santo or San, in Spanish?
Santo Tomás
San Vicente, etc. |
The words that come to mind are slave holder, slave master,...
He is not a saint just because a bunch of child molesting religious zealots say so!
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Don't forget, you need to judge the person's actions according to the beliefs/ethics/morals of the time they lived, not according to current beliefs,
which have evolved.
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by SFandH] |
I judge a church based on its entire history, not just the past few years. From what I read the church leaders are still protecting pedophiles in
their ranks, and pedophilia has been going on for many centuries. That tells me the church is rotten to the core. Suggest that maybe the men should
step aside and let women run the church, see if the women can fix things, eh?
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Assuming this is a serious question,
I'm guessing San Serra (like San Simeon) or San Junipero (like San Jose)
More Information:
Technically, any male saint, or "santo", could be called "Santo", and it would not be strictly wrong (although it would be very uncommon) to say
"Santo Pedro" or "Santo Juan". However, the custom for male saints is to abbreviate the title "Santo" to "San". The exception to this rule is when the
first syllable of the name is "To___" or "Do___". Under those circumstances, if one said "San Tomás", it would be unclear whether the man's name was
Tomás or just "Mas" -- because you could be saying "Santo Mas". In the same way, if you said "San Domingo", it would sound very much like "Santo
Mingo", and again confusion would result. As a result, when the name begins with To- or Do-, the full title "Santo" is used. Besides "Domingo" and
"Tomás", there are not many names that begin with the syllables in question, but there are a few, and the rule applies to them as well. One would thus
speak of "Santo Toribio de Mongrovejo" and not "San Toribio", or "Santo Donato de Arezzo", and not "San Donato".
Note: this discussion and more comments/observations was copied from http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/san-verus-santo.60804...
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by Whale-ista]
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He can not help it. I thought he was an "expert" on such issues.
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by rts551]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista | Assuming this is a serious question,
I'm guessing San Serra (like San Simeon) or San Junipero (like San Jose)
More Information:
Technically, any male saint, or "santo", could be called "Santo", and it would not be strictly wrong (although it would be very uncommon) to say
"Santo Pedro" or "Santo Juan". However, the custom for male saints is to abbreviate the title "Santo" to "San". The exception to this rule is when the
first syllable of the name is "To___" or "Do___". Under those circumstances, if one said "San Tomás", it would be unclear whether the man's name was
Tomás or just "Mas" -- because you could be saying "Santo Mas". In the same way, if you said "San Domingo", it would sound very much like "Santo
Mingo", and again confusion would result. As a result, when the name begins with To- or Do-, the full title "Santo" is used. Besides "Domingo" and
"Tomás", there are not many names that begin with the syllables in question, but there are a few, and the rule applies to them as well. One would thus
speak of "Santo Toribio de Mongrovejo" and not "San Toribio", or "Santo Donato de Arezzo", and not "San Donato".
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by Whale-ista] |
Thank you for clearing it up....
Ahh Baja.... Where you can hear yourself think & commingling with the locals will humble you.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista | Assuming this is a serious question,
I'm guessing San Serra (like San Simeon) or San Junipero (like San Jose)
More Information:
Technically, any male saint, or "santo", could be called "Santo", and it would not be strictly wrong (although it would be very uncommon) to say
"Santo Pedro" or "Santo Juan". However, the custom for male saints is to abbreviate the title "Santo" to "San". The exception to this rule is when the
first syllable of the name is "To___" or "Do___". Under those circumstances, if one said "San Tomás", it would be unclear whether the man's name was
Tomás or just "Mas" -- because you could be saying "Santo Mas". In the same way, if you said "San Domingo", it would sound very much like "Santo
Mingo", and again confusion would result. As a result, when the name begins with To- or Do-, the full title "Santo" is used. Besides "Domingo" and
"Tomás", there are not many names that begin with the syllables in question, but there are a few, and the rule applies to them as well. One would thus
speak of "Santo Toribio de Mongrovejo" and not "San Toribio", or "Santo Donato de Arezzo", and not "San Donato".
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by Whale-ista] |
Thank you, that was all I was seeking. So before male names beginning with TO and DO is SANTO and the rest is SAN.
That helps explain Santo Domingo and San Diego quite well, both D names, both end in O (or even GO)! TO and DO... Got it!
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Well, I was close anyway. lol
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So, in just another four thousand eight hundred and fourteen posts, "San DavidK" will be eligible for canonization?
Prolly by New Year's Day. 
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