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weebray
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Fair pay
Let's say you have used a housecleaner for two years that quit because she found a full time job. Let's say she worked for half a day once a week.
What sort of a bonus would you give her to show your appreciation? Is that customary?
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SFandH
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Bonus? How much are you paying for 1/2 a day's work?
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by SFandH]
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what a nice gesture! I dont know if it is customary but it would be a noble thing to do....whatever you can afford...or maybe a nice gift instead
depending on the woman...a clothes basket full of goodies?
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I don't know what's customary, and suspect a lot depends on local custom as well as your relationship. I have a woman who cleans for me a half a day
once a week, also. I do pay her an algondo (don't know if that's the correct spelling or term for Christmas bonus) of a months wages. I think
that's what I would do if she changed positions for something better for her situation. And she gets a yearly raise as long as she stays.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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Be careful there. We had domestic help for 6 years, also half a day a week. Always gave bonuses, vacation pay and paid very well by local standards,
even paid if no show for good reason. Almost was like a friend. Than she found a full time job and quit. After a few weeks we got a request from a
government agency with a complaint that we didn't pay her severance pay. Ended up having to give her about $ 600.00 to finish this "great"
relationship. Live and learn.
We came away cheap. Know of other folks here in Loreto who got stuck for thousands of dollars for similar reasons. Mexican labor laws are fickle to
say the least.
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durrelllrobert
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Quote: Originally posted by vandenberg  | Be careful there. We had domestic help for 6 years, also half a day a week. Always gave bonuses, vacation pay and paid very well by local standards,
even paid if no show for good reason. Almost was like a friend. Than she found a full time job and quit. After a few weeks we got a request from a
government agency with a complaint that we didn't pay her severance pay. Ended up having to give her about $ 600.00 to finish this "great"
relationship. Live and learn.
We came away cheap. Know of other folks here in Loreto who got stuck for thousands of dollars for similar reasons. Mexican labor laws are fickle to
say the least. |
Not that it has anything to do with the current thread but I was looking for your original post summarized above so that I could post the link. Went
back 6 months and didn't find it though.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by vandenberg | Be careful there. We had domestic help for 6 years, also half a day a week. Always gave bonuses, vacation pay and paid very well by local standards,
even paid if no show for good reason. Almost was like a friend. Than she found a full time job and quit. After a few weeks we got a request from a
government agency with a complaint that we didn't pay her severance pay. Ended up having to give her about $ 600.00 to finish this "great"
relationship. Live and learn.
We came away cheap. Know of other folks here in Loreto who got stuck for thousands of dollars for similar reasons. Mexican labor laws are fickle to
say the least. |
You're not saying that because you think there was a ''great'' relationship, you were entitled not to pay her severance, are you?
If you owed her severance, and didn't pay, then she was justified in asking the agency to follow up for her.
If you forgot or didn't know, now you know.
What's the admonishment about? ''Be careful there''? How is MX law fickle?
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CaboMagic
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vanderberg's words are wisdom.
if a worker decides to file a claim, (the seemingly nicest of family relationships can and do) you will find yourself in a most unpleasant and costly
predicament - even the insinuation of employment makes the employer responsible for all IMSS, Aguinaldo, Vacation Pay is a start. And it will be due
and payable retroactively from the first date of employment. The Mexican Labor Board will take - as in confiscate - everything and anything you own
until paid in full.
Your experience may be different.
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Bob and Susan
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finiquito...have her sign off
here is a calculator
http://salariominimo.com.mx/calculo-de-finiquito/
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by CaboMagic | vanderberg's words are wisdom.
if a worker decides to file a claim, (the seemingly nicest of family relationships can and do) you will find yourself in a most unpleasant and costly
predicament - even the insinuation of employment makes the employer responsible for all IMSS, Aguinaldo, Vacation Pay is a start. And it will be due
and payable retroactively from the first date of employment. The Mexican Labor Board will take - as in confiscate - everything and anything you own
until paid in full.
Your experience may be different.
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This is the cost of doing business in Mexico, isn't it? The employer is responsible for all the above. Assuming that the employer knows how
to do business in Mexico, how is it unpleasant?
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DENNIS
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Contract labor. You owe her nothing. If you want to give her a gift....that's nice.
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She quit!
Her decision to not work for Vandenberg anymore...
What a good trick to get a bonus for quitting!!
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | She quit!
Her decision to not work for Vandenberg anymore...
What a good trick to get a bonus for quitting!! |
''…….. the employer responsible for all IMSS, Aguinaldo, Vacation Pay is a start.''
If the above is a ''start,'' what's the rest?
This is starting to sound like a scam. Is that what vandenberg and CM are alluding to?
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And even if a domestic "contract" worker gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar (compelling circumstantial evidence) and subsequently fired for
it, they can still sting you for anticipated future earnings, which the employer denied her by the dismissal for cause.
Been there, done that.
The quest for money is great, especially FREE money and even if that lady quit voluntarily, she WILL say you fired her...even if you, as the employer,
treated her and paid her well.
Been there, done that.
It seems pretty common that a "bonus" at years end equals 4 times one weeks pay.
$250p for one day a week, times 4...a cool mil.
[Edited on 9-25-2015 by DaliDali]
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CaboMagic
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... a word to the wise ...
Bob even the signed finiquito was contested .. nasty stuff .. of course, it's Mexico and ymmbvd ...
Lee I'm not suggesting a scam - DaliDali expresses it well.
To be fair, not everyone who is rear-ended in the USA will go to extreme lengths to collect from the other persons insurance company, but there are
those that do .. AND not everyone is an upstanding citizen of Mexico with Pope Francis-like morals ...
And on that note, Peace, Love and Fresh Fish Tacos to All .. LG
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | And even if a domestic "contract" worker gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar (compelling circumstantial evidence) and subsequently fired for
it, they can still sting you for anticipated future earnings, which the employer denied her by the dismissal for cause.
Been there, done that.
The quest for money is great, especially FREE money and even if that lady quit voluntarily, she WILL say you fired her...even if you, as the employer,
treated her and paid her well.
Been there, done that.
It seems pretty common that a "bonus" at years end equals 4 times one weeks pay.
$250p for one day a week, times 4...a cool mil.
[Edited on 9-25-2015 by DaliDali] |
250 peso for a day's work. That's 15 dollars. That doesn't go very far. Just saying.
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The original post stated that the employee worked a half day, one day a week.
250 pesos was a hypothetical example given by DaliDali.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | And even if a domestic "contract" worker gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar (compelling circumstantial evidence) and subsequently fired for
it, they can still sting you for anticipated future earnings, which the employer denied her by the dismissal for cause.
Been there, done that.
The quest for money is great, especially FREE money and even if that lady quit voluntarily, she WILL say you fired her...even if you, as the employer,
treated her and paid her well.
Been there, done that.
It seems pretty common that a "bonus" at years end equals 4 times one weeks pay.
$250p for one day a week, times 4...a cool mil.
[Edited on 9-25-2015 by DaliDali] |
250 peso for a day's work. That's 15 dollars. That doesn't go very far. Just saying. |
You're clueless of the whole story.
She worked for 2 hours during ONE day of the week at 250P
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The rest of the story. I talked to several Mexican employers about this case and here are the results of my research. Everyone said that the law, in
practice, here in Mexico is subject to interpretation. Go figure! Anyway ALL of them said it would be best to offer something even if the person
quit for another job or had to move or for whatever reason. Above all be careful to come to an accord with the worker and avoid having to deal with
the government at all costs. These officious government people have little to do and like a dog on a bone they will hound you if they smell money.
We talked with the employee and with guidance from several sources came up with a reasonable figure for both parties. We asked the employee
specifically if we had an agreement (de acuerdo?) and got a positive response. It seemed sincere and our offer was a fair one so we expected a
positive response. With the help of a business person we came up with the following receipt which was signed. I hope this may help someone else with
a similar problem.
Finiquito de trabajo
Recibi del (name of employer) la cantidad (amount of settlement) en efectivo por concepto de finiquito de trabajo domestico. Que realize en un tiempo
de 2 anos en el domicilio (address of workplace), quedando totalmente ad acuerdo por monto acordado en este documento.
(Name of employee) to be signed and dated
La Paz, B.C.S.
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reading all of this has my head spinning.....employees coming back for more money is awful! Here you think you crossed all t's and dotted all i's,
with love and peace and fish tacos but WHAM....employee still comes back. Ughhhhh.
We personally have no employees, which means we do the work at the B&B, but I still hate reading that others were taken for a ride.
I have also had a good laugh - finiquito in Portuguese means to throw a fit! LOL!
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