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Aldervale
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Where to buy paper maps?
Greetings All
Where can I buy some fairly accurate and up to date Maps particularly for non asphalt and for Baja Sur.
Many thanks
Aldervale
north Oregon coast
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woody with a view
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search for Baja Almanac.
[Edited on 11-1-2015 by woody with a view]
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RBoffroad
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Everyone likes the AAA Baja map. I just had them mail me two.
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BigBearRider
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Where did you call? They're all out of the Baja maps here.
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David K
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Seriously! 2010 was the final printing of the 2007 map.
The Baja California Almanac is the best map of dirt roads in Baja. 2009 was the last edition of it.
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Aldervale
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Many thanks for the suggestions.
Aldervale
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MulegeAL
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Alder,
Baja Almanac. 2009 is about 4 or 5 major-road wrecking hurricanes ago, keep that in mind and inquire locally before committing to little dotted lines
on 7 year old maps, esp the ones that go over the sierras or along beaches in baja sur! AAA is OK for cars, but the data is old, and it has no hack
marks for lat/long to use with a GPS.
3 of the 4 routes out my back door westbound in Mulege are heavliy damaged to impassable for example, and those routes still show on the maps
referenced in this thread. I use day copies of the Almanac, a simple GPS and take notes on milage/times, distance to gas and blockages/washouts.
When I meet ranch hands on mules I always inquire because it usually means that where they came from is no longer passable with a pickup.
You planning 4 wheel or 2 wheel travels off the tarmac? Any GPS?
Have fun, great people and vistas back there...
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TMW
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You can still buy the Baja Almanac. Check with Discover Baja or Amazon. Also for a paper map National Geographic does a Baja North and Baja South map
that's not too bad and is sold on Amazon.
The paper map I used for the access roads in the Off-Road section of Nomad was done on a Nat. Geo. map
Just remember that the rains can change things on the dirt roads which often use the arroyos to travel in, but the main dirt roads usually stay due to
the local traffic using them.
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David K
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Samples...
2009 Baja California Almanac:
National Geographic Map (2008):
AAA Baja Map (2007 & 2010):
Folding Baja Almanac Map (2003):
2003 Baja California Almanac Map Book:
Folding Baja California Guidebook Map (1975):
Here are the variouos editions of the Baja Almanac & Baja Topo Atlas map books...
On the left are the two Baja Topo Atlas editions (1986 & 1991). Huge scale, great for exploring, but big and bulky.
In the middle are the two book (Norte & Sur) Baja Almanac editions (ca1998)...
and the single book, full color topography edition of 2003.
On the right is the larger, but smallest scale of the three styles, 2009 Baja Almanac.
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RBoffroad
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The AAA map I received says copyright 2003-2010. Had them mailed to me from the Lynnwood Washington AAA office. I am up in Canada and they still
mailed them to me at no cost. Nice people.
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David K
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The 2007 map includes data from 2003 & 2004. The last map that had any additions was 2007. The 2010 maps contains data originally shown on the
2003, 2004, and 2007 maps. Lucky you got one. All the southern AAA clubs are long out of them.
1996:
2001:
2003:
2004:
2007:
2010:
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AKgringo
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1975 map
Interesting! The 75 guide map calls out Punta Final as 'San Francisquito'. I wonder if that was a mistake, or an older name for the place (the camp,
not the actual point)?
It also shows the main road south following Calamajue Canyon, with the cut off to Chapala as the secondary route! It is hard to believe that the old
mission route was still a road in the late 70s.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  | Interesting! The 75 guide map calls out Punta Final as 'San Francisquito'. I wonder if that was a mistake, or an older name for the place (the camp,
not the actual point)?
It also shows the main road south following Calamajue Canyon, with the cut off to Chapala as the secondary route! It is hard to believe that the old
mission route was still a road in the late 70s. |
Correct, the original name of 'Punta Final' (not the point but the camp location) was Puerto de San Francisquito. Gold was loaded here from the nearby
mill (Molino de San Francisquito, run by William Lacy who is buried there. The mill is now called Molino de Lacy. The bay from Alfonsina's to Punta
Final is also correctly called Ensenada de San Francisquito. "Gonzaga Bay" is just so much easier to say! Gonzaga Bay is the smaller harbor between
Alfonsina's and Punta Willard (Papa Fernendez').
The main route of Mex #5 (The Gulf Road) was indeed through Calamajué Canyon to El Crucero from Las Arrastras and Gonzaga Bay. The road over the
mountain for Laguna Chapala was there first, but it was so bad, especially southbound, that the Calamajué Canyon route was opened (following El Camino
Real).
The government built a new graded road from Chapala across to Puerto Calamajué and was open in 1983. It then became the preferred route to Hwy. 1.
Where it crossed the gulf road, that is where Coco set up his Corner. The new, graded gulf road from Puertecitos to Coco's future Corner was built
from 1985-1987.
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David K
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See the change in roads... Howard Gulick Maps
1956:
1962:
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David K
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The name 'San Francisquito' for this area near Gonzaga Bay comes from a water hole on El Camino Real, next to Las Arrastras. The arroyo from there to
the gulf had its name (since changed to Arroyo Las Arrastras) and the big, open bay had the name... so the beach port also had the same name.
1930 Map:
[Edited on 11-1-2015 by David K]
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Jack Swords
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http://www.eol.ucar.edu/projects/name/science_planning/MX_ma...
Source of excellent Mexican maps, different Topos. INEGI offices are located in several cities (La Paz) and they can sell you the maps or burn a CD
with several selected maps that you can use on the computer and copy smaller sections to print and use. Google Earth uses several INEGI images and
maps.
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PaulW
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The newest INEGI maps are dated 1992, but the photo image is much older.
And The INEGI office does not sell maps. There has been several posts on how to download the various INEGI maps. for the latest go to http://www.blueroadrunner.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=...
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basautter
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The Baja Almanac or the AAA map has always worked for me. As mentioned earlier, road conditions vary with recent storms. Good luck!
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Jack Swords
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INEGI in La Paz has sold me a number of maps in the past few years. Using an index, I select the ones I want and they are retrieved from their
supply. These are large paper topo maps. I have also had maps burned onto a CD by La Paz INEGI for use on the computer and printing out an expanded
section. The cost of the CD was nominal. These are used off-road along with several editions of the excellent Baja Almanac. Google Earth on my
tablet with GPS enabled works well if preloaded up to 2 or 3 Gb and then used offline. Nice blue dot shows where you are and those Baja roads show up
very well on GE.
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BajaGeoff
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We still have brand new copies of the 2009 edition Baja Almanacs available. They are $25 if you come by the Baja Bound office or add $6 if you want us
to pack it up and mail it to you...
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