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Tony Lee
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FMM-Travellers between a rock and a hard place, maybe
Just a question on behalf of a couple of young travellers.
They are now at Guerrero Negro heading for LaPaz and then to the mInland on the ferry.
They will get a TIP at La Paz and were thinking they could also get their FMM there as well. My impfession was that you can only get FMM at the border
Adding to the complication are stories of people in similar situations managing to talk staff at LaPa, airport into issuing them with a FMM and
another stating that the maritime offices at Esenada or Loreto could also issue FMM
Anyone have any good advice for these two please
Thanks
Tony
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chuckie
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Already in Mexico with no FMM?
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woody with a view
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say they misplaced them and pay the piper.
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chuckie
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These days, could be a Big piper, eh?
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mtgoat666
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That would be a lie.
That would also be breaking a law.
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Tony Lee
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"Anyone have any good advice for these two please"
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chuckie
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I think their only l options are to go back to a port of entry, leave and come back legally OR just tell the Mexican authorities their story..and take
the consequences...
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Expecting that from this group is a stretch, one person's good idea is the object of ridicule and scorn of another. That's just how we roll here on
Nomads.
Apparently International trip planning isn't their strong suit. They are 500 miles deep in a foreign country without visas, they should go back to the
border and get legal. The options offered by others may work, maybe not. There won't be any definitive answers coming from this group or others to the
contrary.
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Gulliver
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What is this business of coming down here without an FMM? It's part of the conditions of being allowed to enter their country. If the cost is a
factor, people should just stay home.
It feels like another of these situations where people from the U.S. think that the rules don't apply to them. American Exceptionalism is the term I
hear.
The last poster has the right advice. Fix the problem and then obey the rules.
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danaeb
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I fly in and out of La Paz frequently. I don't believe there is an INM office in the airport. They would have to go to the office on 5 de Febrero. I
lost my FMM last June and had to replace it there. It was a four day process, and several hours in the waiting room.
[Edited on 12-18-2015 by danaeb]
Experience enables you to recognize a mistake every time you repeat it.
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MICK
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Tony, sorry for my fellow nomads. If it we're up to them we should take them out back and beat with a stick. As for their problem. I believe that if
they go to the immigration office in La Paz and just explain their situation, normally they will take care of them. Usually they would have been
stopped in GN. Once I drove to cabo and forgot my visa had expired so I went to the office there and they were very nice. Just bought a new one and
was on my way. Also if your paperwork got lost or stolen the same would apply.
Good luck to them
Mick
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chuckie
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What I said...
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chuck wagon
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I did the same thing , drove in and tried to fly out of Loreto . I had to go to several diff. offices and get scolded and pay but it's easy to do ,
time consuming and expensive , but do-able . It's been a few years so I don't remember the exact process , sorry . I do remember that I started at the
airport and ended up at a Gov. office by the school .
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Ateo
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Yeah, I'd go to INM and just admit what I did. Then get a tourist card, or at worst drive back to Guerrero Negro and try and get one there. I got
one in GN about 15 years ago. I think I paid a $20 "fine" to the guy.
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bajatrailrider
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Tony welcome to Nomads.Please don't listen To 666 he knows
nothing,has nothing good to say.Also number one marooon.
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Tony Lee
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I can understand them getting into this situation because the rules here did change quite dramatically a few years ago, and we all tend to remember
stuff we researched previously thinking it was still all good.
Thanks everyone for all the good advice and it is all pretty much consistent despite not seeming to be. Sure option is to return to the border, with
other options avoiding thd big backtrack, but with decreased chances of success coupled with possible high fines or delays. They can read all of
this and decide for themselves
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Tony
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elgatoloco
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Did they try to get one at GN border? If they are still in GN.
Quote: Originally posted by Tony Lee  | Just a question on behalf of a couple of young travellers.
They are now at Guerrero Negro heading for LaPaz and then to the mInland on the ferry.
They will get a TIP at La Paz and were thinking they could also get their FMM there as well. My impfession was that you can only get FMM at the border
Adding to the complication are stories of people in similar situations managing to talk staff at LaPa, airport into issuing them with a FMM and
another stating that the maritime offices at Esenada or Loreto could also issue FMM
Anyone have any good advice for these two please
Thanks
Tony |
MAGA
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BornFisher
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Got one in Ensenada 6 months ago. A passport or passport card will get it done. The location is the first road north of the harbor that goes
East/West. Ask for Capt. of the Port or immigration office.
"When you catch a fish, you open the door of happiness."
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RnR
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
I have witnessed that exact same situation in the La Paz INM office. The violators were bawled out and told they'd have to pay a (nontrivial) fine
before being issued the proper papers. They objected. They were presented with the alternative of immediate deportation. They eventually payed up,
got legal, and went on their way.
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Gee, you must have been in the La Paz office the same morning that I was ....
I can relate a similar story -
I was in the INM office one crowded morning.
A family of five came in, the woman took a look at the crowded waiting room, rolled her eyes, and walked directly up to one of windows and said
something to the INM official. She was pointed toward the "take your number" machine.
After a long while, my number was called and I went up to the window. Shortly thereafter, the family's number was called and they appeared at the
very next window. The man calmly explained to the INM official that they had crossed the border without getting their FMM forms, they were traveling
to the mainland by ferry, they had been turned around at the ferry terminal for lack of documents, and that they were here at the office to buy their
FMM's.
The INM official scolded them a bit, told them that they would have to "regularize" their immigration status, brought out some forms for them to
complete, helped the man with the first form, and mentioned that the process would take about a week to process and receive their documents. (Pretty
much the standard time frame at the La Paz office)
Well, the woman went ballistic....
"We can't wait a week, we are on vacation, what are we supposed to do here while we are waiting, etc, etc."
The INM official turned towards the back office, said something to someone behind the divider wall, and an armed INM official immediately entered the
waiting room from the side doorway.
The INM official then said to the woman -
"Listen very carefully. At this moment you are in the country of Mexico illegally. You have two choices. You can "regularize" your immigration
status, or, you can be taken into custody and deported. I need your decision immediately."
The woman started in again and was quickly "shushed" by the man. When I left, the family was still processing papers at the window.
So, at least there is an official process to correct the oversight of not getting your FMM at the border.
What would US Border Patrol do to an illegal Mexican if they walked into an ICE office and asked to "correct" their illegal status? My guess would be
immediate deportation and their name placed on a future blacklist.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher | | Got one in Ensenada 6 months ago. A passport or passport card will get it done. The location is the first road north of the harbor that goes
East/West. Ask for Capt. of the Port or immigration office. |
INM moved months ago. Here's a map showing new location:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/puntabandanewsletter/search/photos?query=immigration#zax/photomatic_139807967
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