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bajatrailrider
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New Locked gate coming.
Hey Off road guys. The route from El Coyotes to Rancho Santa Cruz to Vicente Guerrero Canyon.Will soon have locked gate (sorry I dont use GPS) anyone
that goes this way knows it.This route with coming locked gate,will shut down. All travel form East west ,Except old Baja 500.The rancho in Question
is the one before Vicente Guerrero Canyon trail.I have used this route over 30 years.We where there 2 week's ago,eating Lunch under the 1 tree at this
rancho.Woman drives up asks what are you doing here.We where on 8 dirt bikes,She told us. New owner at rancho. I told her that we have permission,to
ride here.From (I wont use his name) Guy with red race truck. She said he does not own this place. So I told her we will respect your wish,but since
this is main route of travel.Why would you not post closed? So we did in fact finish our ride to Vicente Guerrero. So long story short She is the
owner.The guy in red truck her,her son.With new house to the Lt she is living there full time. So as many people will go this route,She will be
putting up locked gate. I will Try to find new route to north/west outside there rancho property.Anybody interested on recon new route,Pm me. We will
try early Aug if not too hot.
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TMW
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Thanks for the info. Not surprising, more and more fences and locked gates going up in Baja.
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bajatrailrider
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Quote: Originally posted by TMW  | | Thanks for the info. Not surprising, more and more fences and locked gates going up in Baja. |
This is true TMW, On shut down routes.I just posted this because if,someone low on fuel.Long way back to Meling rancho. Also if you back track to
Observatory paved road (From rancho in Question) Also yellow locked gate. I do remember many years ago old route that by passes rancho.It was Moto
only route,that's what I intend to check out.Also if any 4x4 routes.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | Thanks for the info. Not surprising, more and more fences and locked gates going up in Baja. |
Yes, I am sorry to say that you are right Tom.
Over the years I have made lots of friends in the offroad racing community down here as well as those who simply enjoy riding offroad. I have logged a
ton of miles myself offroad on both 2 and 4 wheels and understand its strong appeal. But as often happens, it's the few bad apples that end up
spoiling it for the rest. A few months back I saw a post on facebook that a friend here shared from one of his contacts; a SCORE event prerunner had
left the race trail and did countless donuts across his planted fields, ruining a significant portion of his crops that season. Even though this
happened 3 or 4 years ago, the photo continues to be circulated and negative feelings against offroad racing continue to grow, especially with the
chain of spectator deaths in recent years.
Here at La Chorera we get a lot of offroaders come through and most of them do slow down out of respect for those of us who live here. I'd say about
10% of these groups however, rip through here like it was the Baja 1000 and they were fighting for the lead. In the years since we have been living
here we have now seen 1 elderly man get hit by a motorcycle and several very scary, close calls with small children who were playing by the road and
not seen by the vehicles following the lead driver with all the dust being raised. I can't even begin to count all the dogs and cats belonging to
members of our community that have been run over and left as road kill, not even stopping to apologize.
What this is provoking is a lot of anger and a few have talked about taking some extreme measures which I don't care to share publicly. More of the
cooler heads here are working on plans right now to create a series of "dip-speed bump-dip" combinations that will be spaced so as not to be a big
problem at 10-15mph but at 40mph+ will cause some damage. They will be marked and those who choose to ignore the warnings will get a very unpleasant
surprise.
For years I have been calling for the offroad community to regulate themselves much better than they have done up to now. Continuing to ignore what is
going on will only bring more locked gates, community built road obstacles and even an eventual ban on the racing events down here if things don't
change soon...
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bajatrailrider
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This hits the nail on the head. Wanna be racers,wake up your running it for all.When I lead my rides,Im very careful who I ride with. Racing by ranch
houses/roads that share traffic ruining it for all.There is a very few riders,and some group rides running it for all. Save our riding areas,slow down
enjoy Baja.
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chuckie
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Sign of the times, sadly. Too many people, too little respect. Almost all of the ground here is now off limits to hunters and others We now have
trespassers arrested, no exceptions. 10 years ago, all they had to do was ask....
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Its just common sense that when driving on private land you should be a pleasant guest. It is also common sense that you slow down and dont create a
dust cloud when driving unpaved road by a home or pedestrian.
Sadly, knuckledraggers got no common sense.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo |
More of the cooler heads here are working on plans right now to create a series of "dip-speed bump-dip" combinations that will be spaced so as not to
be a big problem at 10-15mph but at 40mph+ will cause some damage. |
That's the classic Mexican solution to speeders.
Plus, you're a social media Internet guy, spread the word. I bet most of the violators are social media users.
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Trouble is with social media, people can read all they want to, and the idjits that flaunt their lead-feet won't care at all..... but let 'em end up
with the tip of their tongue missing or a good skull-whack on the roof, that'll slow 'em down for sure.
¡ VIVA BAJA ! ¡ VIVA TOPES ! THEY WORK.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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mtgoat666
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Someone needs to invent speed-activated spike strips.
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bajatrailrider
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | Hey Off road guys. The route from El Coyotes to Rancho Santa Cruz to Vicente Guerrero Canyon.Will soon have locked gate (sorry I dont use GPS) anyone
that goes this way knows it.This route with coming locked gate,will shut down. All travel form East west ,Except old Baja 500.The rancho in Question
is the one before Vicente Guerrero Canyon trail.I have used this route over 30 years.We where there 2 week's ago,eating Lunch under the 1 tree at this
rancho.Woman drives up asks what are you doing here.We where on 8 dirt bikes,She told us. New owner at rancho. I told her that we have permission,to
ride here.From (I wont use his name) Guy with red race truck. She said he does not own this place. So I told her we will respect your wish,but since
this is main route of travel.Why would you not post closed? So we did in fact finish our ride to Vicente Guerrero. So long story short She is the
owner.The guy in red truck her,her son.With new house to the Lt she is living there full time. So as many people will go this route,She will be
putting up locked gate. I will Try to find new route to north/west outside there rancho property.Anybody interested on recon new route,Pm me. We will
try early Aug if not too hot.
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Hi Larry,
If I post a map can you say between which two names on the map is now closed? For ecample, is the closed section between Santa Cruz and Valladares?
Between Valladares and San Miguel (near Mission Santo Domingo)? etc. THANK YOU!
Here is the Almanac, which shows more roads and trails (possible yours?):
Can you describe where the gate is on this map?
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David I knew you where going to map This thank you. Both maps do not even show main road. Check
if you have anymore maps that may show area.Starting at the wash going up Vicente Guerrero wash (at bridge on HWY 1) going east. It goes up canyon
east old score/late record race route. When you climb that hard 4x4 route You go Rt, (south): This is a main wide dirt road not showing on your maps.
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David K
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Some roads are shown as just a string of dots (trails) instead of thin lines. At some point you leave the Santo Domingo River canyon to get to Santa
Cruz if going up... Can you see any ranch names that are along your road?
Here is the map with the three places named, circled... and blue arrows along possible routes between them...
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | Its just common sense that when driving on private land you should be a pleasant guest. It is also common sense that you slow down and dont create a
dust cloud when driving unpaved road by a home or pedestrian.
Sadly, knuckledraggers got no common sense.
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speaking of common sense ... Bajanomad Offroad Crew carry bolt-cutters. It's been documented here!
problem solved 
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bajatrailrider
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Thanks David I cant make sense of these Maps,even that I know this like my backyard. How about someone that also knows this route with Gps tracks.
There is (Was) only one way to get down to the wash,as yellow gate locked to access observatory paved road. Next weekend I will have name of said
Rancho.
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Hey Larry do you think that was the road I just traveled in may?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by bezzell | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | Its just common sense that when driving on private land you should be a pleasant guest. It is also common sense that you slow down and dont create a
dust cloud when driving unpaved road by a home or pedestrian.
Sadly, knuckledraggers got no common sense.
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speaking of common sense ... Bajanomad Offroad Crew carry bolt-cutters. It's been documented here!
problem solved |
I know a few property owners that have amusing and creative punishments for people that use bolt cutters  karma!
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Two years ago while riding La Mula Mil--riding/packing mules for 4 months from the tip (SJ de C) to Tecate, we were on a remote dirt road 3 days out
of San Jose del Cabo. We heard off in the distance the roar of ORVs and so we tried to gather up all of our pack animals and get all to a safe spot
and sent a rider up ahead to try and give a heads up to the ORVs which should have had someone checking the road ahead of them. Two of our team did
the best they could to get off the narrow road and were almost taken out by one of the ORVs...... complete with drivers with all the radios etc and
running as fast as they could. The first rig barreled around a curve oblivious to all but the path in front of him and missed sliding/slamming into
the two riders by about 10 feet and did not even stop to see if we were ok or anything...if we had been the ancient Mexican pick-up loaded with a
family in the back that we had passed 20 minutes earlier, the family members would have been killed or seriously injured. The total of 5 OR rigs
looked like they were possibly rented from Cabo and NONE of the drivers or vehicle riders involved showed any concern or respect over the carelessness
of their running "blind" at speed and around curves. Each one sped off as fast as they could after regaining control of their rigs......we were being
watched over by someone in the skies that day. Another year when riding ECR thru Calamajue to Mission Santa Maria, several bat-outta-hell bikers
nearly sent themselves rolling and flying ---again on a remote curve and coming upon us lightning fast....thank God we heard the roar and tried to
prepare for a potential collision at speed. Again, these guys seemed clueless. I can only imagine what locals with ranging livestock in the really
remote areas w roads have to experience. Careless folks like this give a bad name to the ORV world. All it takes are a few bad eggs to make all ORVs
look bad. In the end it is all about responsibility and respect.......
My other 4WD is a Baja Mule!
La Mula Mil Survivor 2013-2014!
1000 miles by mule from the tip to Tecate!
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mtgoat666
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Here in the USA, I always support bans of ORVs from public lands. ORV operators don't respect the land, and don't respect other users of the land.
Best they be confined to limited ORV lands, like Glamis, where they can only hurt themselves, and the sand dunes self-repair the wheel ruts.
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mtgoat666
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Perfectly understandable why Baja land owners put up fences and lock their gates!
| Quote: Originally posted by Baja Bucko | | Two years ago while riding La Mula Mil--riding/packing mules for 4 months from the tip (SJ de C) to Tecate, we were on a remote dirt road 3 days out
of San Jose del Cabo. We heard off in the distance the roar of ORVs and so we tried to gather up all of our pack animals and get all to a safe spot
and sent a rider up ahead to try and give a heads up to the ORVs which should have had someone checking the road ahead of them. Two of our team did
the best they could to get off the narrow road and were almost taken out by one of the ORVs...... complete with drivers with all the radios etc and
running as fast as they could. The first rig barreled around a curve oblivious to all but the path in front of him and missed sliding/slamming into
the two riders by about 10 feet and did not even stop to see if we were ok or anything...if we had been the ancient Mexican pick-up loaded with a
family in the back that we had passed 20 minutes earlier, the family members would have been killed or seriously injured. The total of 5 OR rigs
looked like they were possibly rented from Cabo and NONE of the drivers or vehicle riders involved showed any concern or respect over the carelessness
of their running "blind" at speed and around curves. Each one sped off as fast as they could after regaining control of their rigs......we were being
watched over by someone in the skies that day. Another year when riding ECR thru Calamajue to Mission Santa Maria, several bat-outta-hell bikers
nearly sent themselves rolling and flying ---again on a remote curve and coming upon us lightning fast....thank God we heard the roar and tried to
prepare for a potential collision at speed. Again, these guys seemed clueless. I can only imagine what locals with ranging livestock in the really
remote areas w roads have to experience. Careless folks like this give a bad name to the ORV world. All it takes are a few bad eggs to make all ORVs
look bad. In the end it is all about responsibility and respect.......
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | Thanks David I cant make sense of these Maps,even that I know this like my backyard. How about someone that also knows this route with Gps tracks.
There is (Was) only one way to get down to the wash,as yellow gate locked to access observatory paved road. Next weekend I will have name of said
Rancho. |
I put circles around Santa Cruz, Vicente Guerrero, and El Coyote.
I put arrows along possible routes that go from Santa Cruz to Vicente Guerrero. There are three or four shown on the Almanac. I was just wondering if
your locked gate was along one of those... Thank you!
[Edited on 7-31-2016 by David K]
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