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Raven
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Dorado?
A question for those who are far more experienced than I.
Where are the dorado?
This was my 16th season in Loreto. Worst yet for dorado. Nobody was catching. The few brought in were ninos. Have los comercios decimated the species?
What happened to the migration? Are they on the east shore of the Sea of Cortez? Are they on the Pacific side of Baja? Is this just a natural cycle?
Thanks for your thoughts.
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When you see those little itty-bitty mahi mahi fillets in the seafood department of your local grocery, those are the babies that should have been
the 40 lb scrappers that aren't there anymore. I don't know that for sure, and can't prove it scientifically, but it just kinda feels that way to
me. 
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KaceyJ
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The Cortez and the Baja fishing dream there are literally dead
It is the newest dead sea on the planet
It has been dead for 15 years
Don't waste your time , effort or money except on preservative causes
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55steve
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Dorado, mostly small but a few to 20 lbs are pretty much full speed around Bahia de Los Angeles right NOW...
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Atlantic dolphin fish are mostly Pompano Dorado. They are smaller and thinner than common dolphin fish. They made their way over to the Pacific a long
time ago and their numbers are obviously increasing. They could be replacing the larger specie. Here they call them Gulfito or Gulfino. The only
obvious taxonomic feature one can use at sea is they have a different number of fin rays.
This is not to suggest common dolphin have not been overfished. When the sardine fishery goes down to 28% of normal levels everything else changes
until and unless it revives. There are probably dozens of reasons common numbers are way down.
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I think the main reason for no Dorado in the SOC this year is the very cold water temps. The Dorado follow the bait fish who follow the warm water.
Water temp in front of my house in Loreto is usually upper 80's this time of year. Yesterday I read 80 F. Almost too cold for swimming!
Living Large in Loreto. Off-grid and happy.
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Quote: Originally posted by ncampion  | | I think the main reason for no Dorado in the SOC this year is the very cold water temps. The Dorado follow the bait fish who follow the warm water.
Water temp in front of my house in Loreto is usually upper 80's this time of year. Yesterday I read 80 F. Almost too cold for swimming!
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Even the water as far north as San Felipe is colder than on previous trips we take in July... we noticed that big time (we love warm water, like the
dorado).
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Colder than average water...... Must be global warming!
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When I left San Carlos Sonora a week ago, we had water that was 88-90. It's been above 82 since early June. No cold water effect here.
Still no dorado to speak of............
When dorado is on all the menus in all the seafood restaurants and in all the seafood markets, it's apparent what's going on.
Yes, the El Nino effect may have contributed somewhat to an increased number of dorado going into the Pacific, instead of the SoC.
But overharvesting of sardines and commercial fishing for dorado are the causes, IMO.
In a country filled with incompetent government organizations, the Mexican fisheries departments are probably the "best" example of this.
Now watch, when it's finally dead and done (very close!), international conservation organizations will call for banning even sportfishing; though
sportfishing couldn't make a significant dent in the population IF the population was at something near normal levels. Of course, they will also call
for the banning of commercial fishing..............but the commercial fishing ban of dorado has been in place for years with no enforcement.
The exodus has started in San Carlos. I know people who are selling out because the pelagic fishing has been so bad (excluding decent billfishing) for
several years running. They are headed to CR, Panama, etc. Decent summer fishing ameliorated dealing with the heat and humidity. Trolling in an 8.5
knot breeze was a great pastime when you were catching fish. Now, you just can't justify it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | When I left San Carlos Sonora a week ago, we had water that was 88-90. It's been above 82 since early June. No cold water effect here.
Still no dorado to speak of............
When dorado is on all the menus in all the seafood restaurants and in all the seafood markets, it's apparent what's going on.
Yes, the El Nino effect may have contributed somewhat to an increased number of dorado going into the Pacific, instead of the SoC.
But overharvesting of sardines and commercial fishing for dorado are the causes, IMO.
In a country filled with incompetent government organizations, the Mexican fisheries departments are probably the "best" example of this.
Now watch, when it's finally dead and done (very close!), international conservation organizations will call for banning even sportfishing; though
sportfishing couldn't make a significant dent in the population IF the population was at something near normal levels. Of course, they will also call
for the banning of commercial fishing..............but the commercial fishing ban of dorado has been in place for years with no enforcement.
The exodus has started in San Carlos. I know people who are selling out because the pelagic fishing has been so bad (excluding decent billfishing) for
several years running. They are headed to CR, Panama, etc. Decent summer fishing ameliorated dealing with the heat and humidity. Trolling in an 8.5
knot breeze was a great pastime when you were catching fish. Now, you just can't justify it. |
Absolutely spot on.
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Absolutley...The reason I moved to Mulege 35 years ago was the fishing one of the main reasons I left and wont return is the fishing....Louisiana has
more and better....Boys and I are heading to New Zealand to see what that's about....
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Thanks to all for your comments.
Hook-- Special Thanks!
Looks like a problem all over SoC.
Guess I'll cherish the memories & move on.
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See Shari's recent post about do-dos in BA.
Udo
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I've got your dorado right here (at Buenaventura)
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YUM!!!
and when there's no dorado then you can always enjoy the cheeseburger in paradise, at Playa Buenaventura...
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Fisheries such as Canada, Louisiana, New Zealand have all been mentioned in this tread...and my guess is, ALL have tougher regulations and enforcement
as to over fishing...but that is a bad word to so many...yet without it, the Cortez will die, if it has not already. But I honestly don't think it
has...just needs a break. A long enforced break...very long.
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rht....I agree with that...the need for a break..BUT BUT BUT unless that break is accompanied by some serious changes in policy and enforcement?
10-15 years ago we were pointing outt the overfishing of baitfish and commercial use....NADA...very sad....
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UDO?
Re: Sharis Dorado post? ONE fish does not make a fishery....AND it was NOT caught in the SOC...
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Well said. 
| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | When I left San Carlos Sonora a week ago, we had water that was 88-90. It's been above 82 since early June. No cold water effect here.
Still no dorado to speak of............
When dorado is on all the menus in all the seafood restaurants and in all the seafood markets, it's apparent what's going on.
Yes, the El Nino effect may have contributed somewhat to an increased number of dorado going into the Pacific, instead of the SoC.
But overharvesting of sardines and commercial fishing for dorado are the causes, IMO.
In a country filled with incompetent government organizations, the Mexican fisheries departments are probably the "best" example of this.
Now watch, when it's finally dead and done (very close!), international conservation organizations will call for banning even sportfishing; though
sportfishing couldn't make a significant dent in the population IF the population was at something near normal levels. Of course, they will also call
for the banning of commercial fishing..............but the commercial fishing ban of dorado has been in place for years with no enforcement.
The exodus has started in San Carlos. I know people who are selling out because the pelagic fishing has been so bad (excluding decent billfishing) for
several years running. They are headed to CR, Panama, etc. Decent summer fishing ameliorated dealing with the heat and humidity. Trolling in an 8.5
knot breeze was a great pastime when you were catching fish. Now, you just can't justify it. |
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| Quote: Originally posted by seasider | | I,ve thought about this for awhile, so will ask the question why the billfishing seems to be better than other years yet the dorado fishing is very
poor? |
Very good point.
What some folks don't want to consider that it is very NORMAL for things to be DIFFERENT from year to year.
The ocean (and the land) of this planet is dynamic, not static. Climates change, temperatures fluctuate, the sea moves and all the animals do too.
The changes have happened and will continue to happen rather man's activities are in the mix or not. Being conservative and only taking what we need
to survive without waste or destroying other things is wise behavior. But, to blame everything that is different on man has no benefit to improving
anything. Learn to be flexible and to adjust to the changes. Animals have since the beginning. If the food runs out in one place, they go to another
if they want to eat. They don't blame each other, raise taxes, and wait for the food to come to them, do they? (That's supposed to be a funny)
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