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C205Driver
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Oysters & Abalone?
. . .Anyplace in BOLA or Mulege where one can find these fresh???. ..TIA. . . Also any recent reports from Villa Vitta or Los Vientos in BOLA???
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I suggest you arrange pick up oysters from Baja Gringo in San Quintin if you are traveling south. You will not find legal fresh abalone as the season
is now closed. Even when they are in season, they are very difficult to buy...you have to get them from the fishing coops and they are super
expensive...like $80 a pound..one or two abs.
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C205Driver
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. . .Thanks Shari. . .Gonna go thru Mexicali & I won't pay that price either!!!
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Ten years ago, we took a tour of Abulones Cultivados located at the north end of the Eréndira metroplex. Photos of same:
Plus, a pointless bonus photo:
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Haven't reached that day yet in my trip report, but it was sad to see the La Lobera seafood cultivation abandoned.
Ron said it has to do with the intake pipe for fresh seawater getting thrashed by swells and not consistent water temperature, year-round.
I last toured La Lobera in June 2014 with Cameron's Trail of Mission group. Ron said it was later that year when they ended the operation.
Here are a few photos I have taken from 2006 at the project of La Lobera:
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What is the legal market size for abalone in Baja? I used to snorkel for red abalone on the northern CA coast in the 70's. They were plentiful then,
with a four per day limit, and 7 inch keeping size.
Since bigger is better, we generally wound up with a limit in the 8 to 9 inch range, and once I got one that was 10 5/8 inches.
In 1970 I worked briefly on a construction site near Big Sur with a private access to a cove. On a minus tide, we were able to get a limit of black
abalone (5 inch or better) without getting in the water!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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Skipjack Joe
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You can get all the abalone you want below Shari's casa.
Big ones, too!
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shari
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i hope you all realize that Skipjack is kidding...its it a very very serious federal crime and you will get 5 years for one single ab!
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Well, how do I have to understand that info?
Is there a dealer to sell`em? Depending on season? It is not season right now.
My question is b/c it is highly illegal for any foreigners(!) to harvest any shellfish in Mexican waters - no matter what! Snorkeling for clams >
illegal for U.S. citizens and all other foreigners - just as an example. And Mexicans will tell to the authorities about any action they discover -
which is very understandable. It is stealing a part of their income.
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Skipjack Joe
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It is indeed illegal to gather abalone in asuncion. Most of the income comes from lobster and abalone and it's a limited quantity. So they're pretty
serious about nobody harvesting abs. Due to the warm waters recently the kelp beds are virtually gone and the abalone feed on them. The coop has
gotten few to no abalone and that's hurt the locals a great deal.
Incidentally, harvesting pismo clams is also illegal but nobody pays much attention to that.
[Edited on 9-25-2016 by Skipjack Joe]
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I think it's illegal to take any shellfish anywhere at anytime unless you are Mexican.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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I once asked the coop if I could pay to freedive on their lobsters and harvest a couple just cause I like the fun of chasing the little rascals... no
bueno...
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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yup no shellfish.....but I wouldn't feel bad taking a few choros or steamers!
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Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  | It is indeed illegal to gather abalone in asuncion. Most of the income comes from lobster and abalone and it's a limited quantity. So they're pretty
serious about nobody harvesting abs. Due to the warm waters recently the kelp beds are virtually gone and the abalone feed on them. The coop has
gotten few to no abalone and that's hurt the locals a great deal.
[Edited on 9-25-2016 by Skipjack Joe] |
The local cooperativas in Asuncion did manage to fulfill thier quotas this season so this is not true that they have no abalone...they are a bit
scarcer this year so the fishermen had to work longer and harder to harvest them but they did finish out the season.
town is bustling with the preparation for lobster season with everyone making traps this month....it opens Oct.1st.
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thanks for the info on the closure of ron hoffs ( I BELIEVE?) abalone project. i've been curious for years. too bad.
there was also one in the central california region. also, don't know if they're still in business but have seen abalone of various sizes in aquariums
in some chinese restaurants in los angeles area. haven't noticed lately.
YUP ! was kinda pricey.
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There used to be abalone grown commercially at Pigeon Point, about 40 miles south of San Francisco. Perhaps you are thinking of them. They went out of
business over 20 years ago. They supplied to some of the restaurants in the Bay Area.
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There is a big ab farm in morro bay and I believe one in pismo.. They harvest at 3.5 inches
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| Quote: Originally posted by shari | | I suggest you arrange pick up oysters from Baja Gringo in San Quintin if you are traveling south. You will not find legal fresh abalone as the season
is now closed. Even when they are in season, they are very difficult to buy...you have to get them from the fishing coops and they are super
expensive...like $80 a pound..one or two abs. |
Thanks Shari. We have over 6 million oysters seeded in Bahia Falsa (and growing), made up of two types of oysters: Pacific Gigas and Kumamotos. We
don't normally sell to the general public but I make exceptions for our friends. Get in touch with me via facebook so I can arrange for our crews to
have some set aside and work out the logistics.
All of our abalone is currently out at San Martin Island as we are in the process of modifying our onshore systems and we are not selling abalone
currently.
Varies based on season, area and color of abalone but usually around 6" approximately. Farmed abalone has no season nor size limitations other than
market requirements - typically in the 3.5 - 5 inch size.
| Quote: Originally posted by BAJA.DESERT.RAT | thanks for the info on the closure of ron hoffs ( I BELIEVE?) abalone project. i've been curious for years. too bad.
there was also one in the central california region. also, don't know if they're still in business... |
The farm DK referred to as shut down is not ours but down at La Lobera. Abalone farms all along the NE Pacific coastline have been struggling in
recent years with rising coastal water temps and the seawater intake system design at La Lobera had additional problems with dealing with high surf
conditions. I don't believe it has been in operation since at least late 2014.
We dealt with some of the same issues ourselves and why we moved all of our abalone out to San Martin Island where we also hold abalone permits in
addition to the federal concession. There we can monitor and control the population which has continued to multiply and grow. Through our conservation
and reseeding programs along with the fact we have not harvested any abalone in the last 5 years (in spite of having all the permits to do so) we are
now seeing some very healthy colonies reestablishing themselves. We plan to leave most of those we reseeded around the island in place to help those
colonies continue to grow and will only take specimens to be used for cycling broodstock here onshore.
We have modified our system to draw seawater in now from a shoreline well which eliminates the problem of dealing with high surf and has the added
benefits of providing much cooler water (wine cellar effect) that is also prefiltered through the volcanic rock and sand. The water is so clean in
fact, that our system discharge is actually improving the water quality of our coastal ecosystem out in front.
I am really excited now about the next several weeks as we expect to start bringing in over 150,000 new abalone seed to begin working on our joint
abalone-keyhole limpet systems. As we finish out the rest of our tanks and air/water systems, that number will of course increase.
I believe the facility you refer to in the central California region would be The Abalone Farm in Cayucos. That farm was designed, built and directed
by Frank Oakes, widely considered to be the world leading authority in aquaculture. He expanded production at Cayucos to reach 5 million abalone
annually, at the time the largest abalone farm in the world.
The Abalone Farm - Cayucos, CA
The Abalone Farm is still in business but Frank today is CEO of Stellar Biotechnologies and our collaboration partner here at La Chorera. Last week he
spoke at a conference in Ensenada, presenting an outline of our collaboration project and meeting with local academic and research contacts who will
be providing some valuable assistance.
Stellar Biotechnologies - Port Hueneme
He and his wife Dorothy are returning to California today after having spent a few days down here with us. I feel so very fortunate to be able to work
side by side with him and have them as our dear and close friends.
Some very, very interesting things in the pipeline. Stay tuned...
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Great going, Ron!
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Excellent Ron. Your collaborative work with limpets should help cancer cure research for years to come.
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