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BrianBenson
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Punta Colorada airstrip
Anybody land at punta colorada in the last couple of months? If so, is the strip sandy at all? Is it long enough for a twin commanche?
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Osprey
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aeropisto Punta Colorado
Brian, Capt. Mike probably knows how long it is. When are you coming down? We've had a lot of unseasonal rain -- I could run out there and give you
a condition report but not til Wed or Thurs.
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fishinrich
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plenty big!!!
Brian---You could land a whole squadron of commanche's on the colorada air stip. As far as a timely report on the condition I could not say. fishin
rich
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Nikon
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Uh, he didn't ask about a Comanche, Rich. He said twin comanche.
And who would know if any runway is long enough for a twin comanche unless he were the pilot of the airplane and had access to the POH, and knew his
personal criteria based on it? The BBP exists for precisely this kind of information with their publications giving runway length, gradient, if any,
and nearby hazards.
It's generally assumed that pilots know their business about flying, and further that those who fly twins are even more knowledgeable. I guess the
original post here belies those two assumptions.
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David K
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From Baja Bush Pilots
Here is a photo on approach to Punta Colorada... taken last Nov. (linked with permission)
Please go to http://www.bajabushpilots.com click on their bulletin board and read all the posts in the Punta Colorada forum. Each airport has a seperate forum.
Seems some vandalism going on there. If you are a pilot, this is an organization you will want to join... and get the latest 'Airports of Mexico'
edition.
[Edited on 2-15-2005 by David K]
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capt. mike
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Brian and I talked at length by phone
a few days ago - before he posted this. He's just fishing/canvassing for as much info as he can get, that's all - ain't nuthin wrong with that, he's
not the pilot, and the pilot is experienced - just maybe not at all remote strips that present challenging opportunities to either be a hero or ruin a
day. But, you have to start someplace, it ain't ever easy to break new ground but if you have a spirit for adventure....well that seperates those who
"do" from those who "armchair".
As far as whether twin drivers are, or have to be, more knowledgeable than those cruising around in singles.....ask that Q of Richard L. Collins, Sr.
ed. at Flying mag who's flown his 1978 P210 single through 5 engine changes!! and he'll very easily explain how that 2nd screw helps a bunch with
getting to the scene of the accident more quickly.
My point being that there is absolutely no consensus that a twin driver is any more knowledgeable about his flying than an operator of a SEL
aeroplane. He might (and should) obviously know more about twin ops, but as far as the general rules and ops of flying planes period - all have to
know what they're doing and operate within those individual limitations or eventually a day will be ruined for some...and it won't be about a single
vs a twin, it will be about lousy flying period.
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fishinrich
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holy cow!!!!
If you look in the lower right hand corner of david k's picture there is a big black hazard to navigation. fishin rich
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Nikon
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If Brian Benson is not the pilot, that would certainly explain the lame question. If his pilot is experienced, perhaps someone should tell him, so
he'd have a bit more confidence in the guy.
I stated that "people" assume MEL pilots are more knowledgeable, not that they are as a point of fact. No need for SEL drivers to get defensive. No
one thinks yours is not as long as someone's who drives a twin.
Richard Collins flies a single engine for the simple fact that his readership base is overwhelmingly composed of single engine pilots. In other words,
it's where his bread is buttered. Do you know of anyone else with his financial means staying in a single for thirty five years? I don't know if
that's strictly accurate, I only began reading him in 1970 when he was a staff writer, piloting a Cessna 182.
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capt. mike
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Sorry Nikon...but your initial comment seemed
needlessly negative - i don't see anything "lame" here about someone asking a fair question, as perhaps a bit excited about their upcoming adventure.
and I don't see the word "people" in your intended quote - you state it is "generally assumed" - really? based on what empirical data that you can
offer except perhaps your own opinion? And yes, i know quite a lot of folks who fly singles who also have easily the where-with-all to fly a twin if
they chose, but they - quite like Mr. Collins - do not agree totally with the alleged safety supposedly inherent with that 2nd mill up front. The
actual benefit does not always equal or meet the true cost of operating a twin depending on the most frequently required mission.
And as to your inference that those flying SEL might be defensive due to some latent insecurities with others' perception of their manhood.....you
have got to kidding.
by the way, since you often opine on the subject, what IS your experience in aviation?
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
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Bruce R Leech
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one of the really nice thang about this Bord is it is a good place to git or give info. for those that need it . But some peple get there jollies by
accusing people that have an honest question of being stupid rather than helping.it is far better if you don't want to help just to stay quiet.and let
some one that understands the purpose of the Bord lick Caption Mick answer their questions.
Bruce R Leech
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David K
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Punta Colorada strip in 1969...
From the old Airports of Baja California, you can see the runway length originally was 3,071' long. I strongly suggest you get the newest version of
Airports from Baja Bush Pilots. Hanselman's 'Air Baja!' c1998 gives the length as 2,270'...
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tim40
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Amen Bruce.
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Nikon
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Bruce, I hope you'll understand that when I need to post something I won't be checking in with you to determine for me if it's appropriate or not. But
that's not to deny you the right to chime in, as you do all the time, go right ahead and chime, mate.
Mike, you've got Bruce pretty well impressed. Easy task.
With some people all it takes is to call yourself "Captain". Albeit, of a single engine airplane, which you would have us all believe is the only way
to stay alive, given that well known axiom "the second engine, oops, I mean 'mill', is the one that takes you to the scene of the crash"
Aside from my thirty five years pilot and air traffic control experience, I have a bullchit detector, that goes off whenever you pop off.
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capt. mike
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hey Nikon - ok , yur right....
i am full of it....
sure would hate to be going through life though as the sourpuss you apparently are.....come on, lighten up.....you'll, live longer - single or twin!
And i commend you for your service as a controller, they have a tough job - some do it well and some can be real pinheads at times....but i give them
a pass cause i know it's stressful as hell.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
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Frigatebird
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Mexican Aviation regs
prohibit dogfighting. 
Avatar courtesy of Herb 
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Skeet/Loreto
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Nikon-For your Bu--sh-t Detector!
On Takeoff from Alameda Navel Air Station in a Neptune P2V climb to 500 Feet, feather the left engine and do a Slow Roll under the Bay Bridge.
BS?
Skeet/Loreto
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Skeet/Loreto
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Nikon
Thought I might raise some good info from your meter. Us ole Farts have to have something to do on theses windy Days.
The event I noted occurred on April6th ,1953 with the Aircraft being driven by a Pilot Named Sandusky out of FaeTuPac North island, San diego. I was
the Flight Engineer.
Would hope some of the Pilots would start some Posts on Airplane Experiences.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Nikon
Thought I might raise some good info from your meter. Us ole Farts have to have something to do on theses windy Days.
The event I noted occurred on April6th ,1953 with the Aircraft being driven by a Pilot Named Sandusky out of FaeTuPac North island, San diego. I was
the Flight Engineer.
Would hope some of the Pilots would start some Posts on Airplane Experiences.
Skeet/Loreto
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Nikon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Thought I might raise some good info from your meter. Us ole Farts have to have something to do on theses windy Days.
The event I noted occurred on April6th ,1953 with the Aircraft being driven by a Pilot Named Sandusky out of FaeTuPac North island, San diego. I was
the Flight Engineer.
Would hope some of the Pilots would start some Posts on Airplane Experiences.
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Skeeter, that's plausible. Given sufficient airspeed, it's like what Bob Hoover did in his Shrike every Sunday.
Your idea for a "How I nearly bought the farm" (I'm sure you know where that term came from) is a good one, but worthy of its own thread.
Be sure to express some appreciation for the humor shown here before you leave, though. The guy put a lot of work into it, even attending the Bruce
Leech Academy of Spelling.
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capt. mike
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thx for the fond memory Nikon.
i count myself very fortunate to have seen Hoover do that routine at Reno one year B$ he quit doing airshows after the feds trumped up a safety issue
and yanked his medical. I believe Bob Hoover to be the worlds greatest living pilot, i think even Yeager has said the same thing. for the un initiated
nomads here:
Hoover would, after some air work with one engine cut - rolls, loops etc, climb it like a home sick angel, cut the no. 2, then using enertia, trading
airspeed for altitude and vice versa, perform 3 full loops then land and taxi right to the X'd out spot at front show row center - without ever re
starting either engine on that Aero Commander/Rockwell Shrike. An amazing feat of skill and precise timing. He was 75 the year i saw him do it. I
guess , from his biography, he used to do things in a B 25 at age 22 that the engineers said were impossible......then simply collect $$$ at the bar
later, what an amazing guy!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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