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gringorio
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San Felipe, tourist permit?
Hi ya'll,
Just wondering if San Felipe is still a place you can go without obtaining a tourist permit?
Thanks!
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bajaguy
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Nope, you need the FMM as soon as you cross the border. There are no "free" immigration areas
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gringorio
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Cool! Thanks for the clarification. 
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sancho
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I always get an fmm for San Felipe at the Downtown Mexicali crossing, how
many tourists do? From my experience, guessing less than
50%
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AKgringo
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Quote: Originally posted by sancho  | I always get an fmm for San Felipe at the Downtown Mexicali crossing, how
many tourists do? From my experience, guessing less than
50% |
And unless a tourist asks the question, they may never know that they needed one!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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bajaguy
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Maybe they (the un-informed tourists) should do some research on the requirements to enter a foreign country...........
And then you have the informed tourists who don't think they need to stop and obtain one.....even if nobody asks to see it
| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | Quote: Originally posted by sancho | I always get an fmm for San Felipe at the Downtown Mexicali crossing, how
many tourists do? From my experience, guessing less than
50% |
And unless a tourist asks the question, they may never know that they needed one! |
[Edited on 1-29-2018 by bajaguy]
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David K
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Something like that!
Since our borders are pretty open (at the legal crossing points) with not every car stopped, it is a bit odd that no sign is displayed southbound, or
inside Mexican territory, that informs non-Mexican drivers to pull over to get the FMM unless they have a stamped one that is still valid.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE with the itty bitty parking for this 'mandatory' stop?
It is a flawed system. I would guess less than 25% bother, Sancho! The border zone/72 hour no formality process worked fine.
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bajaguy
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That is not the point. Many people are aware of the requirement and chose to ignore it.
Someone traveling to a foreign country should know the rules before they leave home, signs are not necessary, and if there were signs do you think
anyone world read them or comply with them??
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Something like that!
Since our borders are pretty open (at the legal crossing points) with not every car stopped, it is a bit odd that no sign is displayed southbound, or
inside Mexican territory, that informs non-Mexican drivers to pull over to get the FMM unless they have a stamped one that is still valid.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE with the itty bitty parking for this 'mandatory' stop?
It is a flawed system. I would guess less than 25% bother, Sancho! The border zone/72 hour no formality process worked fine. |
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy | That is not the point. Many people are aware of the requirement and chose to ignore it.
Someone traveling to a foreign country should know the rules before they leave home, signs are not necessary, and if there were signs do you think
anyone world read them or comply with them??
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Something like that!
Since our borders are pretty open (at the legal crossing points) with not every car stopped, it is a bit odd that no sign is displayed southbound, or
inside Mexican territory, that informs non-Mexican drivers to pull over to get the FMM unless they have a stamped one that is still valid.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE with the itty bitty parking for this 'mandatory' stop?
It is a flawed system. I would guess less than 25% bother, Sancho! The border zone/72 hour no formality process worked fine. |
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I understand that. One should know. Not everyone buys a guidebook before driving south, unfortunately.
Signage is just due diligence to inform the traveler if this was truly important to Mexico.
We have signs for the guns and ammo part going into Mexico. I realize it is more upon Mexico to post a sign for their immigration needs. Wouldn't it
be polite if they did inform drivers?
No fun to get to Guerrero Negro only to be turned back and told it had to be obtained at the border (as reported once here) or feel coerced into
paying a large "tip" to get a pass for not having one (also as reported here at least once).
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bajaguy
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Personally I would like to see INM, the federal Police and the Military all cooperate at the checkpoints......no FMM (or other immigration documents),
fined and sent back to the border. Check all vehicle documents and vehicle searches............would eliminate many problems
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bajaguy
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Maybe the US needs to post signs in Mexico with prohibited items and documents needed on all of the roads leading to the US border crossings
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy | That is not the point. Many people are aware of the requirement and chose to ignore it.
Someone traveling to a foreign country should know the rules before they leave home, signs are not necessary, and if there were signs do you think
anyone world read them or comply with them??
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Something like that!
Since our borders are pretty open (at the legal crossing points) with not every car stopped, it is a bit odd that no sign is displayed southbound, or
inside Mexican territory, that informs non-Mexican drivers to pull over to get the FMM unless they have a stamped one that is still valid.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE with the itty bitty parking for this 'mandatory' stop?
It is a flawed system. I would guess less than 25% bother, Sancho! The border zone/72 hour no formality process worked fine. |
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I understand that. One should know. Not everyone buys a guidebook before driving south, unfortunately.
Signage is just due diligence to inform the traveler if this was truly important to Mexico.
We have signs for the guns and ammo part going into Mexico. I realize it is more upon Mexico to post a sign for their immigration needs. Wouldn't it
be polite if they did inform drivers?
No fun to get to Guerrero Negro only to be turned back and told it had to be obtained at the border (as reported once here) or feel coerced into
paying a large "tip" to get a pass for not having one (also as reported here at least once).
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sancho
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AK, I assume I'm reading your reply wrong. I hope you are not suggesting the OP, gringorio, is a mere/1st time tourist going to San Felipe for
vacation?
He happens to be on the Sea Shepard, Vaquita preservation crew, which ships are stationed off San Felipe, which I imagine you are aware of
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AKgringo
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Sancho, I follow Gringorio's posts, and appreciate his contributions to the Sea Shepard's efforts, and to this forum.
My response was to you, to add the fact that in addition to those who don't bother to get the FMM, there are those who innocently (and naively) don't
know they need one!
In 2012 I crossed the border at San Luis headed for Baja, and was told that I did not need any tourist permit. I made two more trips before I
discovered that I was an illegal immigrant!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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daveB
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They have the three day, free pass. But that's only 72 hours, by which time you should be out of the country. That works for a weekend at Rocky Point.
But it also confuses the issue when you are stopped by authorities and you don't have a paid for FMM, the tourist permit.
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David K
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It is a 7 day free FMM.
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Alm
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Yes. Free but mandatory.
It appears that previously allowed 72 hours stay in border zone without FMM is no longer the case. Every gringo crossing SY on foot is required to get
FMM, be it free or not free.
On car crossings they don't ask and unless gringo stops and gets FMM, he can cross without FMM, - doesn't mean he is legal.
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bajabuddha
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Ya gotta get it. Ya gotta register. Kind of like what tRumPatsy people want of every 'visitor' to our Country. Obey the laws, do the paperwork, be
legal. You want it, you do it too, simple que no? If you gotta pay twenty bucks, oh mercy. Fer cryin' out loud people, how much argument does it
take to just do the deed?
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daveB
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If I do a 5 hour walking trip into Los Algodones, do I need a FMM, even the "Free" one? I've heard that, for whatever the reason, this formerly
crowded border town, is no longer that.
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bajaguy
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Yes, as soon as you cross the border for any reason
| Quote: Originally posted by daveB | | If I do a 5 hour walking trip into Los Algodones, do I need a FMM, even the "Free" one? I've heard that, for whatever the reason, this formerly
crowded border town, is no longer that. |
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daveB
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I can now see, that border crossings are still evolving. Canada recinded a former government's edict that required a travel Visa for every Mexican
entering Canada, that had been in effect for about 5 years.
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