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GypsyJan
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EPN to Trump: ‘Mexico will never pay for a wall’
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ElCap
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Gotta love Vicente Fox's tweet!
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Paco Facullo
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"The U.S. president told a campaign rally in Nashville, Tennessee, that Mexico will pay for the wall “in the end” and like it."
Isn't that kinda the same thing as sayin' " I'm gonna do you up de poop-shoot, and "in the end" you're gonna like it ???????
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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dtbushpilot
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They're already making payments. Has anyone noticed the companies leaving MX and reinvesting in the us, the peso to dollar exchange? The renegotiating
of NAFTA? Trump never said they would send a check every month with "wall payment" in the memo box. Yes, Mexico will pay for the wall, probably even
before it is built...
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Paco Facullo
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Ya, Mexico's always been on the "burnt end" of a marshmallow stick, so it ain't nothin' new ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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Gscott
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The US should charge a tourist tax, just like Mexico does. Let that pay for the wall.
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Paco Facullo
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Tourist visa's for the USA are around $200.00 depending ,,,,,
Mexico's tourist visa is 500 Peso's for 180 day's !!!
[Edited on 6-1-2018 by Paco Facullo]
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mtgoat666
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It’s not mexico’s poblem, why should they pay?
If you think illegal immigration is a problem, then you should make the employers pay for the wall. Seems to me that usa govt should attack the
employers that entice illegal immigration, rather than attacking the poor people that just want jobs 
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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David K
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How is Mexico not being able to have an economy to support all its citizens, not their problem Goat?
If the bureaucracy and bribe-system were removed and banks were allowed to hold paper title to make small business and home loans, Mexico could be
really rich and the people would have jobs, good jobs, and opportunity. Mexican people would rather not leave their families to work in another
country but some of them want better than they can get at home.
Don't blame U.S. business for illegal crossings when it is your favorite government people that rewards and coddles illegal immigration with free
benefits, social security, amnesty cities and states, and they can have parades flying the Mexican flag protesting the U.S. NONE of that happens in
Mexico where national pride is high and foreigners meddling in political matter is forbidden.
Get the government out of the way, create free-market banking, and I see a day when Americans will come south to work in Mexico, it could get that
good.
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billklaser
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Well said David! Viva La Mexico
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chippy
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"free market banking" Ya that worked out well in the US. Have you already forgotten? Well anyway nothing like a pile of regurgitated republican
rhetoric with my coffee .
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sancho
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You seem to be up on this, but how does one in the
US without proper immigration status, therefore
without a SS
card, collect Social Security?
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chuckie
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yadayadayada.....
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chuckie
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If Drump has anything to do with this, the ONLY things certain are that BOTH the US taxpayer and the Mexicans will get screwed...
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SFandH
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  |
If the bureaucracy and bribe-system were removed and banks were allowed to hold paper title to make small business and home loans, Mexico could be
really rich and the people would have jobs, good jobs, and opportunity. |
Mexicans can get mortgages, car loans, etc. Perhaps you don't see this because you stick to a rural, somewhat backward area in a very small part of
Mexico. You shouldn't generalize what you see in small baja towns to the rest of Mexico.
There is a growing middle class in the major cities. I frequently visit Playas de Tijuana and it is a relatively nice middle-class neighborhood with
modern homes, and the majority of the people driving newish cars. The strip along the beach is sort of ramshackle but the neighborhoods behind the
beach are quite nice. These folks aren't paying cash for 100 to 300 thousand dollar homes and new cars.
[Edited on 6-1-2018 by SFandH]
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | free benefits, social security, amnesty cities and states, and they can have parades flying the Mexican flag protesting the U.S. NONE of that happens
in Mexico where national pride is high and foreigners meddling in political matter is forbidden. |
Free benefits. Illegals pay sales taxes, gas taxes, probably withheld payroll taxes, rent payments, maybe even property taxes if they own a house.
If they get hurt, do we just let them die on the street? Like taking away the ACA from millions? Let their children go uneducated? Let them starve?
Let their children die of treatable illness?
We're already separating children from parents at the border, might as well just let them die anyway, right? Save taxpayer money for the wall?
I got mine, screw everyone else? Is that your sentiment?
Social Security. How can they get a SS card without being a citizen? What Social Security are they paying, and how do they get benefits from that if
not registered? It is against federal law for illegal immigrants to get a SS number. Only citizens and permanent legal residents allowed. Explain
your statement on this one.
Parades flying Mexican flags. What about the 1st Amendment, most countries do NOT have one. I've seen many St. Patrick's Day parades with Irish
flags waving, no problem with that? Are you insecure about your own patriotism? Your family did not emigrate from another country at some time in
the past? Should we scrap the 1st Amendment?
Last I checked, our government does plenty of protesting about other countries, and certainly meddles in their affairs. Remember Vietnam, Iraq,
Afghanistan, Libya, etc. No issues with that?
What about the employers who exploit these people? They are blameless?
Please explain your statements, we're all waiting. Or is this just more Fox News talking points?
John
[Edited on 6-1-2018 by John Harper]
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SFandH
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What?? For the most part Mexicans cross illegally to get work. And it's American businessmen who hire them, breaking the law. I have a friend who owns
a small roofing business and he uses undocumented workers all the time. In fact, he was complaining a while back because a long time worker who filled
the role of foreman was deported.
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Tioloco
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I am guessing that if we ramped up illegal immigration and added 100 million more undocumented immigrants that it would be a boon for our economy
somehow. With that logic, why not be a really good host and let some move into your house? Of course it would be of great benefit to you and yours...
Right?
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chuckie
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Agribusiness is the likely the biggest offender when it comes to employing illegals. BUT we seldom hear of mass raids on Chicken, Beef and Pork
processors.....Why? Big Bucks in play....and the American public wants cheap food...
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
What?? For the most part Mexicans cross illegally to get work. And it's American businessmen who hire them, breaking the law. I have a friend who owns
a small roofing business and he uses undocumented workers all the time. In fact, he was complaining a while back because a long time worker who filled
the role of foreman was deported. |
If you wouldn't chop my answer in half, then the answer is there and is respectful of the Mexican people... in that better government/laws/economy in
Mexico IS Mexico's responsibility so that Mexican people don't have to leave their country for better-paying jobs.
[Edited on 6-1-2018 by David K]
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