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religon and effects on indians of baja
Kpbs San Diego has a show about the early religous padres and how it effected the indians of baja,
9pm tonight
At least I think that is what I heard as I was washing my chompa.
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Does this answer the question? I saw this as a display in the Museo de las Misiones in Loreto:
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While it is easy to blame an easy target like dead missionaries, the diseases were introduced before missions by bootleg peal fishermen, pirates, and
renegade soldiers. Cruelty to natives occurred primarily after the Jesuits were removed and civil authority from Spain replaced the religious Order.
No excuse for what happened but exploring always brought death such as Marco Polo and the plague in Europe.
There are plenty of letters written that show how furious missionaries were at soldiers and government at native treatment.
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The Catholic Culling
All part of God's plan ?
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We did a pretty good job here in the USA wiping out the indigenous people as well. It's not just religion involved. I believe there was a bounty on
native people in California after we became a state.
https://www.history.com/news/californias-little-known-genoci...
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There are plenty of letters written that show how furious missionaries were at soldiers and government at native treatment.
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Still going on all over the world, mistreatment of natives by ... ..
Missionaries were part of the Spanish military industerial complex.
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Not on North Sentinel Island. The natives won.
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The Indians on the Washington coast went from over 100,000 to a little over 600. I forget the name of the colonel who introduced diease into the
area.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island
Nothing to steal from them,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6pL4Rh1PY
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Genocidal numbers.
Reparations are owed, me thinks.
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“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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that says everything about religion one needs to know.
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Religion wasn't the cause, the arrival of outsiders and later the conquest of California by a foreign power introduced diseases from which the
Californians had little resistance to. Happened all over not just on the peninsula.
I am not religious but I am interested in accuracy over drama.
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All over
The Black Death, also known as the Great Plague, the Black Plague, or the Plague, was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history,
resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia and peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.[1][2][3] The bacterium Yersinia
pestis, which results in several forms of plague, is believed to have been the cause.[4] The Black Death was the first major European outbreak of
plague, and the second plague pandemic.[5] The plague created a series of religious, social and economic upheavals, which had profound effects on the
course of European history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
Plague as a Weapon of War
As a highly contagious disease with an extremely high mortality rate if left untreated, Yersinia pestis has been used as a weapon of biological
warfare for centuries. Some warfare strategies have included catapulting corpses over city walls, dropping infected fleas from airplanes, and
aerosolizing the bacteria during the Cold War (Stenseth, 2008). More recently, plague raised concern as an important national security threat because
of its potential for use by terrorists.
https://www.cdc.gov/plague/history/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32YQYJuxyn0
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Around 70,000 years ago, humanity's global population dropped down to only a few thousand individuals, and it had major effects on our species.
https://www.businessinsider.com/genetic-bottleneck-almost-ki...
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diseases kill every flavor of people.
indigenous people are abused more than others for some reason. What about Angie, the girl from Isla Cedros, her dna most closely matches that of the
people who lived there 14,000 years ago. She can not hit hard enough to kill a fly, everyone wants to beat her, and use her for something.
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After working with Cherokee folk in Oklahoma, I became a supporter of the first nation TV channel (FNX) which is on most PBS networks. They have lots
of TV show series that gives a first nation cultural perspective to history than what is institutionalized as the western civilized history
perspective.
The taking of their ancestral lands was worse than any religion or disease, end of any story no matter how accurate to justify otherwise.
Big time supreme court case about Indian land in OK. is happening now. It will be a long battle, Osiyo
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Win Some - Lose Some
Those SPANISH dudes "may" have shared some responsibility in the reduced aborigine population, BUT (on the upside)
they brought the one-true religion and redemption to the pagans allowing them the promise of Heaven !
Death bringing eternal LIFE.
RIGHT ?
AND, as a bonus, Casino riches. At least in the U.S.
BTW, the Black Death had come and Long Gone when Columbus " ..... sailed the ocean blue in
1492 ..... "
And, it's not likely that there was anybody tossing diseased corpses about as a weapon. Whatever disease transfer that occurred between the Euro
immigrants and the aborigines was not part of any plan. The understanding of Viruses and Bacteria was a long ways off.
Bad luck all around.
Overall, though, there's NO denying that the inevitable European arrival heralded the beginning of an ongoing centuries-long period of
enlightenment and progress for which we should ALL be thankful for today.
Including the Casino beneficiaries.
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right. missionaries have been blameless in damage to indigenous societies throughout history. don't kid your self about gods middlemen.
there is a museum in Lima Peru containing hundreds of thousands of skulls of those who proved too difficult to convert and thus were euthanized
to prevent them from continued sinning.
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David K has a unique historical perspective from something like a Judeo-Christian, viewpoint, who sees the Jesuits, of doing God's work.
We of course know for the last 30 years or more, and from the Indian-Latin America, view point, that the Jesuits order, was doing the work of Satan,
and were in bed with the Spanish, who decimated the native population with diseases, kept them in barbarous condition, and tried to take away their
beliefs, by trying Christianizing them of their so-called savage ways.
I'm not sure if anybody can find out what really happened by listening or reading historians, because it's all about perspective and the lens you are
looking through. The best you can do is read about an event through a wide variety of sources.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | While it is easy to blame an easy target like dead missionaries, the diseases were introduced before missions by bootleg peal fishermen, pirates, and
renegade soldiers. Cruelty to natives occurred primarily after the Jesuits were removed and civil authority from Spain replaced the religious Order.
No excuse for what happened but exploring always brought death such as Marco Polo and the plague in Europe.
There are plenty of letters written that show how furious missionaries were at soldiers and government at native treatment.
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That sounds about right.
In a way celebrating the missions is like praising N-zis.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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