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Has anyone done the trail South from Bahia Guadalupe to La Gringa?
Edit: Replace references to Bahia Guadalupe with Ensenada Alcatraz.
The Window Rock trail goes into Bahia Guadalupe. We've made it that far, but it was dark and decided to not push our luck. Who has ridden (or
driven?) it?
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The south half of that is the El Toro Mine road, I do believe... So, I have traveled it but many years ago. It was reported washed out when I was last
north of La Gringa in 2017 from all the other flash floods of recent years.
The mine is at the end of the road (maybe near where the m/c trail from Bahía Guadalupe comes in?) but there are more mines plus the village site to
the east of the end of the road (a foot trail only goes to the village site).
See my article and search Nomad for El Toro posts to read and see more.... https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/la_gring...
In that article are these GPS figures for you:
0.0 Road to north at La Gringa: 29º02.490’, -113º32.800’ elev. 8’
1.0 Left at fork in road: 29º03.210’, -113º33.200’ elev. 135’
7.0 Copper Mine, end of road: 29º05.870’, -113º35.820’ elev. 840’
El Toro Ghost Town: 29º05.350’, -113º35.220’ elev. 1,185’
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JZ
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That's it exactly. I updated the image with your way points added.
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your picture shows Ensenada Alcatraz - Bahia Guadalupe is a 5 miles north
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Hmmm.... it was marked Guadalupe on Navonics (boating maps). That's were I got it from. And also I think that's what Nikno called it
Have you been on the trail?
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Some of the guy's I ride with rode it last year. They said the second half toward La Gringa was like riding in an old creek bed, all rocks, But I
wasn't there..
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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  | Hmmm.... it was marked Guadalupe on Navonics (boating maps). That's were I got it from. And also I think that's what Nikno called it
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I have been there many times
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Have you driven it from Alcatraz to La Gringa? What's it like?
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Rode it a few years ago starting from La Gringa. Fun single track ride, there was one washout and a narrow downhill but nothing to hard. Would be
harder going west to east. We left BoLA early and carried some extra gas, still out by the time we hit Hwy1 (start of Window Rock).
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Bahia Guadalupe is the overall big bay with Punta Remedios at the north end.
Ensenada Alcatraz is the small bay at the south end.
Baja Nomad/ Doug has camped there often and posted great photos! Look here: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=21098
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| Quote: Originally posted by mjs | | Rode it a few years ago starting from La Gringa. Fun single track ride, there was one washout and a narrow downhill but nothing to hard. Would be
harder going west to east. We left BoLA early and carried some extra gas, still out by the time we hit Hwy1 (start of Window Rock).
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Thanks for the input. Thinking about doing a loop. From La Gringa up North to the bay then West and cut down South through the lake bed, and back
into BoLA on the hwy. Maybe have the truck go around the other way and meet us at the bay for lunch and beers.
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That was a pretty interesting read through from 13 years ago.
Here is Doug's bay: 29° 10.980'N 113° 38.896'W.
We went right by there last year on the way to Alcatez, but didn't hit his spot. Will check it out next time.
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Here is an alternate GPX track. I got this from someone else so I cannot vouch for it, but it is worth exploring.
https://www.gaiagps.com/datasummary/track/ab89f62d-ede9-4991...
I believe the track you have mapped out is the original mining road from La Gringa up to El Toro, so at some point it must have been passable to
vehicles.
mjs: Do you think the route you took would be possible to do with highly modified Jeeps?
Anyone who has poked around in the area, do you think a daring group of 4x4s could make it through?
JZ: When are you going to be in the area? I'm hoping to be in Bahia sometime in early November.
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Thanks for posting the track Nikno. It's almost the exact same route, except instead of following the old mine road it goes to the right at the Y and
goes by the waypoint I labeled Wash. Then it goes West and connects back into the route in the Op.
It would be good to know which way is easier and/or more interesting. Pretty short sections, so both could be tried out.
We are going to do Baja Sur in November/December. Then do Bahia in Jan.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Nikno | Here is an alternate GPX track. I got this from someone else so I cannot vouch for it, but it is worth exploring.
https://www.gaiagps.com/datasummary/track/ab89f62d-ede9-4991...
I believe the track you have mapped out is the original mining road from La Gringa up to El Toro, so at some point it must have been passable to
vehicles.
mjs: Do you think the route you took would be possible to do with highly modified Jeeps?
Anyone who has poked around in the area, do you think a daring group of 4x4s could make it through?
JZ: When are you going to be in the area? I'm hoping to be in Bahia sometime in early November. |
can you please post kmz or gpx files?
I believe even the single track could be pioneered by some capable 4x4
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Here is the track he was referencing. You just have to create an account at Gaia to download it as KMZ or GPX.
Gaia is a good site.
Attachment: La Gringa to Bahia Guadalupe.kmz (7kB)
This file has been downloaded 214 times
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I believe the wash route might have been chosen because the mining road has some serious wash outs. I have seen several photos from the wash and it is
definitely passable in a capable 4x4. Past El Toro will be the real adventure.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Nikno |
mjs: Do you think the route you took would be possible to do with highly modified Jeeps?
Anyone who has poked around in the area, do you think a daring group of 4x4s could make it through?
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Not when we did it. There was one canyon crossing that was washed out on the old roadbed and another section down a singletrack crosscut on a steep
hillside. Not even wide enough for a quad at that time. The tracks in the wash out from La Gringa are OK for a Jeep. As of last week the tracks from
the lakebed into Guadalupe are fine for a Jeep or truck.
Our 2016 track is attached. Rode it again in 2017. No real intel since then.
Attachment: Window Rock 29 NOV 2016 001.gpx (157kB)
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mjs, where was the washout roughly? Before or after the alternative route through the wash when heading North from La Gringa.
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I think it was after the copper mine. Don't really remember as it wasn't an issue for a bike to get thru.
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