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philodog
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Traffic tickets
During a correct, legal traffic stop will the police always issue a written citation during the stop? Also, when paying at the station do you pay
before a municipal judge and get a receipt?
Asking for a friend who was pulled over in La Ventana for a BS infraction, went to the station and paid the cops themselves at the station.
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mojo_norte
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The cop writes the ticket. The judge asses the fine . If the judge is not around - say Sunday they will collect a bond or hold your license . It's
Mexico so all bets are off and everything is usually negotiable. What was the BS offense?
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philodog
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No stop on a dirt road with no ALTO sign.
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4x4abc
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want to improve the community?
Post pictures of the cops
Harald Pietschmann
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JZ
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Give them $40 and be on your way. They get us about 1 out of 4 trips.
It's the price of having a blast in Baja.
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Lee
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No justice in Baja with 2 people that went to the station. One, a personal friend, in Ciudad. Ended badly.
Other in Tecate, elderly man with wife, truck, pocket knife, station where judge didn't look like a judge (wasn't a judge), and that ended badly.
This story was written up here.
Some believe that justice will be served if they get a ticket and pay it at a station. I'm thinking that's a 50/50 proposition.
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What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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mojo_norte
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Don't think you'll necessarily get a fair shake at the station. You might end up paying more plus wasting a lot of time.
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4x4abc
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the procedure in La Paz is that an official will write you ticket - either in your presence or while you are shopping (parking violation). They will
hand you the ticket, or place it under the wiper. To make sure you will pay they will either take your driver license or you car plates. Show up at
the earliest date given on the ticket at the municipal office, present ticket, pay fine, get back your license or plate.
Always painless. Always accurate. Penalties are mild.
Any direct payment or station payment would go to the "CocaCola fund" of the officer(s).
Some officers skip the haggling and ask for a CocaCola donation right away. $100 pesos has you on your way in 2 minutes.
I don't know how rural municipalities like Mulege handle it.
Don't know how the Federal Police handles infractions between cities - haven't been caught speeding yet.
Harald Pietschmann
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John Harper
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The cops carry tools and remove license plates?
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mtgoat666
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You must be a bad driver.
I have been stopped once in 10 years. And I was at fault.
In my experience, cops typically only stop drivers that deserve to be stopped.
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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weebray
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John - YES, Goat - NO
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baja Steve
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I have been driving in Baja for 21 years stopped 2 times and never a ticket. Be polite and ask questions
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David K
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Bingo...
I have driven in Baja since 1974, stopped a few times (Tijuana, Ensenada, and Tecate) and never a ticket... but I did once "tip" the officers for a
police escort out of the city when I was "illegally" towing a friend whose VW broke down.
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BajaBlanca
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This thread made me giggle remembering the time we drove to La Paz, I believe it was over New Years 3 years ago. After a 10 hour drive, exhausted and
about 3 blocks from our destination, a cop pulls us over.
Our older dog Rex, for the first time ever, was not happy in the car so I had moved to the back seat to comfort him and Mom was in the front seat with
my husband/driver, Les.
We have anapromex license plates and the sticker/validity had to be renewed but the office was closed due to holiday. We were told in La Bocana that
it would not be a problem.
The La Paz cop started talking to Les and hassling him about the missing sticker. I am quiet in the back but not happy. Actually, I was quite grumpy
because I wanted our dog out of the car and we were so close to our destination. After lots of blablabla telling Les that he would take the car,, he
says something that Les doesn't quite catch the Spanish and he looks at me to translate.
Blanca meltdown begins with me yelling at the top of my lungs. WHAT DO YOU WANT? We don't have the sticker, the office is closed so we can't get it
until tomorrow. ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THE CAR? If so, tell me now so we can get out.
I am a teacher and took voice lessons on how to project my voice, and I am Brazilian to top it off, I can be loud. I was loud, very loud that day.
I remember he asked me Is this YOUR car? Nope, I yelled, but IF YOU WANT IT, SAY SO NOW AND TAKE IT NOW.
I see one cop look at the other (this Gringa is loca look and we better let her go before this gets any uglier look). Que tenga buen dia hahaha
Have a nice day and he points to the road!
and mind you, we were in the wrong but come on. The sticker was something like 300 pesos, ridiculously inexpensive but the offices were closed for
the holidays. Nahhhh, I was not having it! 10+ hours of being in the car plus being very stressed over our perro being stressed sent this woman
into a meltdown.
I tell you, it was a sight to see.
Thanks for the giggle!
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Marc
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LaPaz 1979 I see the cops had screw drivers in their gun belts. Took me a while to figure that one out.
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gnukid
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Anyone who exchanges money with a transit or municipal police officer in lieu of an official ticket to be paid by order to the judge Baja is
committing a high crime that is punishable by years in jail and is contributing to corruption that hurts everyone. Never ever offer or accept an offer
to pay directly, absolutely refuse and always demand to see ID and take a photo of the id and the person and the vehicle, best to record the entire
interaction.
The job of a transit officer is to ensure safety, to assist, to protect, never to molest or demand money, they may not enter your vehicle, they must
identify themselves with official ID and you are absolutely allowed to take photos and video, they can not demand you go with them without the order
of a judge.
Anyone admitting to supporting extortion will be prosecuted to the extent possible and be deported.
[Edited on 2-18-2020 by gnukid]
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gnukid
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They may not remove your license or license plate as that is your property. Although they do this for parking violations. It's something you may
object to, never ever hand your license or your plate to a transit officer, even if they demand it, it's just a threat preceding a demand for mordida.
The circulation transit laws vary in each city, though foreigners carry a certain envelop around them that requires them to conform to their laws from
where they arrived and do their best to conform to the changing laws for each city. A transit officer has no authority to threaten you or take your
property, it's just a threat that has no support. It's best to ignore them or to clearly inform them of the problem with attempts to separate you and
your property. Gringos who support extortion hurt everyone.
There are many cases of mordida every day in La Ventana to the point of it being an epidemic, police are arriving from every pueblo to drive the
street to ask for money from gringos and it's become a Mecca of Mordida that is an epidemic. Please stop feeding the bears.
[Edited on 2-18-2020 by gnukid]
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Nada Gnu
It (mordida) is a choice between paying an individual (underpaid) corrupt official or paying into a
corrupt government entity for the benefit of those higher up.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE !
Pay, go on your way and get to play without further delay.
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gnukid
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As stated earlier, you can offer to support the officer or contribute to cocacola but you can not pay a fine directly.
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RocketJSquirrel
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6.5 years here, driving every day. Never even stopped. And I am a bit of a sloppy driver. Ran more than a few semi-hidden stop signs. Not sure how
people get stopped so regularly. Of course, maybe my time(s) coming...
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