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motoged
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Lee,
I did not say that. Ncampion was the one confused.
[Edited on 6-22-2020 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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caj13
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Quote: Originally posted by ncampion  | | I'm sorry, I'm a little confused. Explain to me how destroying public property makes life better for any of the "oppressed" people who live in the
US? In fact, explain to me exactly how these people are oppressed. |
PM me your address, I will have a larger than life set of statues you can proudly display in your front yard. hitler, stalin, pol pot, anyone
else you desire?
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4x4abc
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this is a weird forum
some cool Baja info - as long as you keep the map maker out of politics
some inspiring explorers
some stunning photographers/video makers
some wonderful personalities - kind, generous, heartwarming
but also a lot of abrasive old farts who want to be right (wing)
to be fair, the lefties seem to be much mellower
maybe the Davids need to learn surfing
OK - shoot me now
Harald Pietschmann
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Tioloco
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Why remove your posts?
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Lee
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Young and ignorant statement, or a nomad having a senior moment.
(I know you wouldn't write the above, ged.)
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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MrBillM
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Obsession with Oppression ?
Being someone who is a 100-percent descendant of European (mainly Irish/English) adventurism, sitting by the pool just this
afternoon after a long swim, I was sipping a soda, listening to '60s folk/rock (doing a crossword puzzle) while reflecting upon and weighing the
results brought about by centuries of systematic oppressive racism and ....................
Just Kidding. Didn't give it a thought. Feeling NO guilt here.
It's OK for the rest of you to feel bad for what your antecedents (and YOU ?) did, though. Self-Flagellate all you want.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | Being someone who is a 100-percent descendant of European (mainly Irish/English) adventurism, sitting by the pool just this
afternoon after a long swim, I was sipping a soda, listening to '60s folk/rock (doing a crossword puzzle) while reflecting upon and weighing the
results brought about by centuries of systematic oppressive racism and ....................
Just Kidding. Didn't give it a thought. Feeling NO guilt here.
It's OK for the rest of you to feel bad for what your antecedents (and YOU ?) did, though. Self-Flagellate all you want.
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Been color blind my whole life... Now realizing the world would be better off if they were like me.
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MrBillM
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Color Me Confused ?
Having spent a lifetime intimately indulging in the exploration of the race question ................... I found that it's
ALL good.
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pacificobob
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | this is a weird forum
some cool Baja info - as long as you keep the map maker out of politics
some inspiring explorers
some stunning photographers/video makers
some wonderful personalities - kind, generous, heartwarming
but also a lot of abrasive old farts who want to be right (wing)
to be fair, the lefties seem to be much mellower
maybe the Davids need to learn surfing
OK - shoot me now |
good observations, well stated.
[Edited on 6-24-2020 by pacificobob]
[Edited on 6-24-2020 by pacificobob]
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BajaTed
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The pendulum of reform is going to swing farther than it has too as it relates to the symbols people want to see for a historical perspective.
I'm waiting for some one to erect a statue of Darwin. He got it right.
Es Todo Bueno
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MrBillM
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A New Wave of Great Philosophers Statuary ?
First and foremost should be one of Alfred E. Neuman in every city, town, village, hamlet and collage campus where a course
in Nuemanian philosophy should be a part of the core curriculum..
Then, there's Pogo, of course.
Let's get going.
Speaking of going .................... got to. Squirrels y otras to feed.
BTW, arriving back in Silent Valley last Saturday, the "Mandatory" masks, distancing, etc. signs were back up, BUT compliance looked
to be somewhere around .001 percent with the enforcers "seeing no evil ..........". Big surprise there. People did scatter and grab masks when a
Sheriff's unit came through and gave short bursts on his siren when encountering the unmasked groups.
We'll see what today looks like.
Have fun. Keep working on that Aborigine problem.
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mtgoat666
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some of you may be fond of junipero serra.
you can buy statues online, and put them in your garden to join your menagerie of garden gnomes.
this one is only $61:
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Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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TMW
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If it wasn't for the explorers be they slave owners or not none of us would be here. While George Washington and other founders did own slaves one
must ask them self was forming a new country called the United States a good thing that over rides everything else about them.
All men and women have their good and bad traits. If you want to go to the extreme maybe burn the constitution and start over. In today's climate how
far would we get.
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Speak for yourself, Tom. If Dad would have been born in a hospital, my brothers and I would have had our tribal number.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | If it wasn't for the explorers be they slave owners or not none of us would be here. While George Washington and other founders did own slaves one
must ask them self was forming a new country called the United States a good thing that over rides everything else about them.
All men and women have their good and bad traits. If you want to go to the extreme maybe burn the constitution and start over. In today's climate how
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Your attempt to justify your bigotry racism failed miserably. The end justifies the means?
Did you never attend church and Sunday school?
Woke!
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“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Pronoun: the royal we
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke |
Speak for yourself, Tom. If Dad would have been born in a hospital, my brothers and I would have had our tribal number. |
Ken, can you please explain this?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | History happened, learn and grow from it... Don't pretend it didn't happen, or burn it, or tear it down... it still happened and the violence
manufactured for the CNN tv camera's benefit is doing none of us any good. What are you teaching your children... that if history was uncomfortable by
current standards it must be destroyed? How is this any different than the N-zi book burnings?
If a statue is honestly so offensive to today's youth (really sad), then there is a legal process to removing them WITHOUT VIOLENCE.
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These statues are public venerations of devils. Tear them down! The legal process put up the statues of the evil people, don’t trust the legal
process to reverse their evil decisions.
When people wake up and realize that white men put up statues to honor white supremacists, it is time for minorities to rip down the evil symbols of
white supremacy.
[Edited on 6-25-2020 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Pronoun: the royal we
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | History happened, learn and grow from it... Don't pretend it didn't happen, or burn it, or tear it down... it still happened and the violence
manufactured for the CNN tv camera's benefit is doing none of us any good. What are you teaching your children... that if history was uncomfortable by
current standards it must be destroyed? How is this any different than the N-zi book burnings?
If a statue is honestly so offensive to today's youth (really sad), then there is a legal process to removing them WITHOUT VIOLENCE.
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These statues are public venerations of devils. Tear them down! The legal process put up the statues of the evil people, don’t trust the legal
process to reverse their evil decisions.
When people wake up and realize that white men put up statues to honor white supremacists, it is time for minorities to rip down the evil symbols of
white supremacy.
[Edited on 6-25-2020 by mtgoat666] |
You sure are a hateful piece of work, Goat
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | History happened, learn and grow from it... Don't pretend it didn't happen, or burn it, or tear it down... it still happened and the violence
manufactured for the CNN tv camera's benefit is doing none of us any good. What are you teaching your children... that if history was uncomfortable by
current standards it must be destroyed? How is this any different than the N-zi book burnings?
If a statue is honestly so offensive to today's youth (really sad), then there is a legal process to removing them WITHOUT VIOLENCE.
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These statues are public venerations of devils. Tear them down! The legal process put up the statues of the evil people, don’t trust the legal
process to reverse their evil decisions.
When people wake up and realize that white men put up statues to honor white supremacists, it is time for minorities to rip down the evil symbols of
white supremacy.
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You sure are a hateful piece of work, Goat |
The only hate here is in the hearts of people that erect statues to traitorous, slavery-supporting confederates, Or the people that defend such
statues in public spaces.
Burning down monuments to hate is nothing but love
Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Pronoun: the royal we
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Ken Cooke
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My Paternal Grandmother is Cherokee. Her husband - My Grandfather was a mixture if different races, but self-identitied as African American. He was
born free in 1888, and his Father was born a slave. My Grandfather wrote a book recounting a story told to him by my Grandmother about the Trail of
Tears. Neal Johns (RIP) located the book online nearly 15 years ago through Bob Coffin books in Las Vegas, Nevada. That book, "Trouble On The Trail"
was written in 1977 by Charles Cooke. I have a signed copy. I don't know the exact percentage of Cherokee ancestry that I have, but she was Cherokee
and my Grandfather had strong Native American features. My Maternal Grandparents were both fully African lineage.
I don't look at slavery as benign, as my Dad gave speeches about conversations he had with his Grandfather who was a slave. Conditions were
intolerable and unimaginable - my Great Grandfather was yelled at by his slave owner, and on one particular occasion was punched so hard that he flew
backwards off of the mule that he was riding while plowing a field. Slaveowners practiced that level of cruelty that shouldn't be sanitized by the
description that TW gives them - really lending them the benefit of the doubt as he likely didn't have relatives that were physically/verbally abused
these way my Great Grandfather was.
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