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PaulW
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79000 missing in Mexico
People Disappeared
Be glad not to visit the area where all the killings have occured
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/mexico-lo...
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John Harper
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Tragic. But, at least it's not the ONE MILLION a year that GnumbNuts keeps peddling about child trafficking.
John
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The official USA number is more than 800,000 children go missing per year, this does not include women and men nor people trafficked from other
countries into USA through Mexico.
USA has a much higher population than Mexico, but its border is used for global trafficking, each of us pay the costs while victims suffer and few
escape.
It's sad but predictably consistent that John enjoys ridiculing missing children and trafficked adults.
There is also a large number of children trafficked from Mexico into USA, plus populations from many other countries that are not counted in either
the missing US or Mexican Children because they are not in the system.
The actual numbers of missing children and trafficked humans in USA and Mexico are therefore much higher than the number reported.
[Edited on 12-12-2020 by gnukid]
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John Harper
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I'm not minimizing the sad crime of trafficking. Nor missing children. Where I have I ever said that? Nowhere.
I cannot find any evidence to back up your numbers. None.
And, I will do my own research, I've seen your bogus URLs. Not the least bit credible.
"The actual numbers of missing children and trafficked humans in USA and Mexico are therefore much higher than the number reported."
And your evidence for this statement is from what source? Or, just your opinion?
Maybe beamed to you from deep within the Quniverse?
John
[Edited on 12-12-2020 by John Harper]
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gnukid
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John, you keep mixing up the data, that is one problem, take it one at a time, write it down, for example, how many people cross the Mexico USA border
per year, that is a known number, then take the number of illegal transients caught, that is a known number, consider the number of reported
trafficked humans across the border who are Mexican, consider the number of total trafficked humans, then add the known number to a quotient of
unknown say 2x, the total number trafficked across the border includes those who come with falsified parents, alone, coyotes, detected and undetected.
Honestly, this is not some personal issue between John and I, it's simply something to be aware of, with knowledge the number is not known, though
certainly much higher than reported, many interests have motivations to suggest it is not an issue, while in fact, it is a significant problem that is
well reported with data sources.
I come to this issue as someone with open eyes, though lack personal experience, simply paying attention could help save someones life.
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Gnuey, were really math illiterate - how about you do the math right here, and reference where each of those numbers come from!
Just take your previous explanation, add the numbers and where those numbers came from. do us all a favor - please?
[Edited on 12-13-2020 by caj13]
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John Harper
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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  | | I come to this issue as someone with open eyes, though lack personal experience, simply paying attention could help save someones life.
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I have taught high school for almost 20 years. I have yet to lose one of my students due to kidnapping or trafficking, a couple due to suicide,
unfortunately. I am designated a "mandated reporter" by the state of CA for suspected child abuse, trafficking, and suicide prevention. I get
training every single year and receive a certificate of completed training. By law, I am obligated to "pay attention."
My personal experience tells me your numbers are wildly inflated. Please see my post in another thread where I demonstrate that using your numbers,
my high school of 3000 would lose almost 40 kids a year, which is just not reality. Not even close. With 160-170 school days per year, that would be
one child a week lost from my school? Cops would be on campus 24/7 under those conditions following up on weekly abductions. I can tell you for sure
that is not the case.
Here's a little information on one of the training programs I have to complete each year:
https://www.cde.ca.gov/nr/el/le/yr18ltr0328.asp
I know this issue is important to you, but you're actually quite late to the party. I've been receiving annual training on this issue for the last
three years since AB 1342 was passed.
John
[Edited on 12-14-2020 by John Harper]
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On the BRIGHT Side .....................
Kids that are missing aren't around to be a bother.
AND, should they stay missing, it will result in more adults not around to be a bother.
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | Kids that are missing aren't around to be a bother.
AND, should they stay missing, it will result in more adults not around to be a bother. |
a few sunday night Stella's Bill?
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Maintaining Perspective
One of my more common Kinder comments dating back (at least) 40 years:
"Kids have their place, but that place is somewhere else."
Not that I object (mostly, anyway) to well-behaved minors, BUT how many of them are around ?
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Reminds me of my dad's favorite quip about me when people would ask him how is your son. "He's at his best when he's asleep".
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Here are just a few examples to give a perspective of human trafficking
https://www.unodc.org/pdf/HT_indicators_E_LOWRES.pdf
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/human-traff...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/worst-cou...
https://fishgame.com/2020/10/human-trafficking-uncovered-nea...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/traffic-stop-leads-to-huma...
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/08/29/12-human-smuggli...
https://www.crimeonline.com/2020/09/05/missing-girl-found-hi...
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/doctors-and-cops-among-...
https://patch.com/california/campbell/human-trafficking-ring...
https://www.ktvu.com/news/16-arrested-5-rescued-in-south-bay...
https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Police-Arrest-Fo...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/gilroy-couple-arrested-...
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/05/30/san-jose-sex-tr...
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/4-arrested-for-owning-op...
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such a plethora of references. you are clearly convinced of your opinions accuracy.
why the great need to pitch these theories? heck, you could just confidently sit back and enjoy being "right".... and spare us the rants.
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Gnuey, when are you going to do the mth for us. once and for all , show us how you get to 79000.
Once you do that, I'll do you the normal "courtesy" of actually vetting your "sources". I will (unlike you) actually click on the links, read
AND UNDERSTAND them, and point out where you are right and wrong in your suppositions. fair deal right? first lets see your math, and them we
shall dig into your "sources of information" and what those actually say!
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Numbers are less important than the issue in general, USA/Mexico border is among the worst human trafficking border in the world and its worse now
than ever before.
It's not wealthy people on the internet who are trafficked, the victims don't have internet, nor cell phones, nor access to freedom.
I am no expert, though, I did spend time on a human trafficking hotline as an admin and the few calls I heard were quite frightening, people are
extremely afraid to escape, the ramifications are serious for themas well as family. I do pay attention in the area where I am at, in Baja we are
cautious, especially in regard to children.
Maintain vigilance!
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | Gnuey, when are you going to do the mth for us. once and for all , show us how you get to 79000.
Once you do that, I'll do you the normal "courtesy" of actually vetting your "sources". I will (unlike you) actually click on the links, read
AND UNDERSTAND them, and point out where you are right and wrong in your suppositions. fair deal right? first lets see your math, and them we
shall dig into your "sources of information" and what those actually say! |
Paul is delusional, a victim of brainwashing by right wing media and trumpista misinformation campaigns. Don’t bother debating him, his mind is
lost forever.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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yes mt compared to you Paul is a rocket scientist. Make America decent throw out spam . Yes that means you
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To shed light, here's a story today about a prominent business person, Peter Nygard, just arrested for sex trafficking. The article discusses the
methods he used to control victims through, threats, intimidation, surveillance, restriction of movement, isolation, etc.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fashion-retailer-peter-n...
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actually gnuey, the numbers are very important,for a number of reasons,
including supporting your claims.
No numbers, and you are just making crap up!
So once again - take the explanation you gave john, put numbers and references to it. That way - see you would have legitimacy and credibility.
If not, your just a bat guano crazy clown flatulating BS from your brain into the wind.
| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Numbers are less important than the issue in general, USA/Mexico border is among the worst human trafficking border in the world and its worse now
than ever before.
It's not wealthy people on the internet who are trafficked, the victims don't have internet, nor cell phones, nor access to freedom.
I am no expert, though, I did spend time on a human trafficking hotline as an admin and the few calls I heard were quite frightening, people are
extremely afraid to escape, the ramifications are serious for themas well as family. I do pay attention in the area where I am at, in Baja we are
cautious, especially in regard to children.
Maintain vigilance! |
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No, it's not. There are about 75 million people under the age of 18 in the US, and if more than 800k of them went missing every year, that would be ~1
of every 90 American children. It just isn't happening.
And these numbers that you cite don't reflect the reality that the vast majority of children that reported each year as "missing" are with a one
parent or the other as a part of a custody dispute, and promptly found. Abductions of children by strangers are EXCEEDINGLY rare.
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