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[*] posted on 12-22-2020 at 11:28 AM
REQUEST FOR CURRENT REPORTS ON AVAILABILITY OF ULSD DIESEL IN BCS


REQUEST FOR CURRENT REPORTS ON AVAILABILITY OF ULSD DIESEL AT PEMEX STATIONS IN BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR.

On September 16, 2020 the Mexican Ministry of Energy issued an order exempting Pemex from providing ULSD through 2021, citing distribution issues due to Covid-19. This order appears to be nationwide and is different in scope than the previous order exempting Pemex from supplying ULSD everywhere except the major metropolitan areas and the border region with the U.S.

Most ULSD fuel reports conclude that ULSD is available everywhere in BC and BCS, but that is based on old information, usually anecdotal or third hand, and the situation may have changed after 9/16/2020 due to the new, pandemic-related ruling.

What I am seeking is CURRENT, post 9/16/2020 first hand reports on the availability of ULSD in BCS. Reports on non-Pemex stations are welcome, but my interest at this time is primarily the current situation with Pemex.

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[*] posted on 12-22-2020 at 12:32 PM


I just got a Mercedes 250 Bluetec Diesel car, and drove it via San Felipe to La Paz. Filled up in SF and Santa Rosalia, all the gas station attendees said, it was the "new" diesel fuel. My car ran fine showing around 38Mpg. The only problems I did encounter, were those large diameter fuel nozzles. In La Paz I did find at the Chevron station on Abasolo, the regular size nozzle at the Diesel pump.

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[*] posted on 12-22-2020 at 12:50 PM


Even if the pump is up and running, is there any way to tell which fuel is on tap?



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[*] posted on 12-22-2020 at 01:26 PM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Even if the pump is up and running, is there any way to tell which fuel is on tap?


Other than a sign on the pump or a statement by the attendant probably not, and even then there is no guarantee the information is accurate.

But those indicia are better than nothing.

We'll have to see how reliable the information is as this thread develops.

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[*] posted on 12-22-2020 at 01:30 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Fernweh  
I just got a Mercedes 250 Bluetec Diesel car, and drove it via San Felipe to La Paz. Filled up in SF and Santa Rosalia, all the gas station attendees said, it was the "new" diesel fuel. My car ran fine showing around 38Mpg. The only problems I did encounter, were those large diameter fuel nozzles. In La Paz I did find at the Chevron station on Abasolo, the regular size nozzle at the Diesel pump.

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Do you recall the date and the specific station in Santa Rosalia, i.e., Pemex or other brand?
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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 11:14 AM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Even if the pump is up and running, is there any way to tell which fuel is on tap?


I haven't seen any indication of ULSD. Baja - Buy the ticket, take the ride.




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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 11:28 AM


The signs and the pump will read Ultra Bajo Azufre vs Bajo Azufre if it is Ultra Low Sulfur (if you trust the signage). We do know that Baja Norte has been Ultra Low for years now... and the fuel depots at Mexicali and El Sauzal have only it... to supply stations down to Villa Jesus María (Pacific side) & Bahía de los Angeles (Gulf side).




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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 11:35 AM


I've filled up with diesel this past year in San Felipe, Guerrero Negro, Mulege, and Ciudad Constitución. Never seen any kind of sign.



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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 12:52 PM


I have a recent report of a sticker indicating ULSD on the pump at a Repsol station in BCS. Unfortunately, the reporting individual didn't specify exactly what the sticker read, only that in English it meant ULSD.

I have a second recent report of ULSD in La Ventana, but no specifics as to the particular station yet other than it wasn't Pemex. Also unclear is exactly how the reporting individual determined that it was ULSD.

As noted in the first post, the ULSD diesel situation may have changed after 9/16/2020 so my focus is on reports on ULSD after that date.

Thanks for the responses so far.


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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 01:10 PM


Quote: Originally posted by HeyMulegeScott  

I haven't seen any indication of ULSD. Baja - Buy the ticket, take the ride.


Numerous stations in and around Ensenada have large signs up indicating they have ULSD. Not street signs - more like the big plasticized canvas things they drape over a wall - or similar.
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Quote: Originally posted by HeyMulegeScott  
I've filled up with diesel this past year in San Felipe, Guerrero Negro, Mulege, and Ciudad Constitución. Never seen any kind of sign.


It is on the overhead sign that tells you they have diesel: UBA (Ultra Bajo Azufre).




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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 03:50 PM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Even if the pump is up and running, is there any way to tell which fuel is on tap?


Do you trust the signage at the pump?

Do you trust what the gas jockey says is being sold?

Since many (most?) stations commit fraud by adjusting the pump calibration to dispense short liters, and many gas jockeys are con men, I would not trust the signs at stations or statements from station employees....







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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 04:09 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


. . . I would not trust the signs at stations or statements from station employees....



Good news, Goatboy. Your trust is unnecessary. This thread isn't about you.
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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 04:10 PM


My Silverado requires ULSD. Haven't had issues in Baja Sur for the last 3 years.







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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 04:42 PM


Hopefully none of us will have issues, but as noted in the first post, the Mexican government issued a ruling on September 16th that may have altered the situation, hence the request for post 9/16/20 reports.
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[*] posted on 12-24-2020 at 05:38 PM


They may changed back to LSD from USLD.

We drove north the second week of December.

We have a 2006 F350 diesel, (pre ULSD), that always got about 14 mpg on LSD. After the switch to ULSD, our mileage consistently dropped to about 12 mpg.

The recent trip north - we averaged 14 mpg once again.

I have no definitive data or information, but, feel free to draw your own conclusions ....
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[*] posted on 12-25-2020 at 09:48 AM


Quote: Originally posted by RnR  
They may changed back to LSD from USLD.


^^^ This is the reason for my initial post and request for current information.

I have received several posts and emails with information suggesting that the supply line for non-Pemex stations in BCS has not changed since 9/16/20, however these reports relate specifically to Repsol rather than Chevron, ARCO and BP. Since all of these companies currently ship ULSD into Mexico it is likely that all continue to sell ULSD but so far no confirmation for any company other than Repsol.

The current ULSD situation with Pemex remains clear as mud.

Thanks for the responses so far.
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[*] posted on 12-25-2020 at 10:09 AM


One thing to consider about the supply chain, is that gas stations don't like empty tanks, but truck drivers do! Once a driver has set up and is pumping fuel, the temptation to "blend" two similar fuels where there are multiple storage tanks must be tempting!

The farther from the supply depot, the better the chance of getting the wrong fuel, or at least a blend. This is also true with remote stations in Alaska, and probably Canada as well, but I do not know for sure.

Hauling a partial load of fuel back to the supply depot is the last thing anyone in the supply chain wants, and finding another station and setting up again is just a pain in the rear!




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[*] posted on 6-19-2021 at 03:52 PM


I have been looking into this also. I have 1 Repsol, and 4 VP stations I could make use of. I sent emails to both companies 10 days ago asking about ULSD with no response so far. What a surprise.
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[*] posted on 6-19-2021 at 08:07 PM


We’re in Pescadero now and going to La Paz. I'll ask around tomorrow and report back.
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